Discussion-OBS (if any) for Tuesday afternoon-night (Jan 21-early 22) northwest fringe snowfall from the departing southeast USA winter storm.

[Dark Star]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

Long Island in the Bahamas has a higher chance of snow than Long Island, NY lol

My worst vacation was in the Bahamas in early spring.  A cold front brought temps down so low, you couldn't even go in the pools.  

[Roger Smith]

This Atlantic low will go on to cause damaging winds (70-110 knots) in Ireland on Friday. ... model consensus is that it deepens to 940 mbs near 20W and core of strongest winds slams into west coast of Ireland 0600 Friday. ... moderate to extreme damage is possible in western counties and could in worst case model scenarios extend across to Dublin also. 

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

20 minutes ago, Roger Smith said:

This Atlantic low will go on to cause damaging winds (70-110 knots) in Ireland on Friday. ... model consensus is that it deepens to 940 mbs near 20W and core of strongest winds slams into west coast of Ireland 0600 Friday. ... moderate to extreme damage is possible in western counties and could in worst case model scenarios extend across to Dublin also. 

Just rain there?

[NorthShoreWx]

16 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

Just rain there?

Mostly

https://www.met.ie/national-forecast.html

 

[TJW014]

Flurries have started

[wdrag]

3 reports of flurries coastal Ocean County NJ at 745PM...  no big deal I know, but not for naught. Always was fringe. 

[wdrag]

OKX radar showing Long Island lake effect light snow shower fragments translating east along the edge of the virga shield across Li. Take a look. I think the EC had this in some prior cycles for 00z/22. 

[wdrag]

KMIV, KWWD, KACY reporting minor S- since ~730PM. 

[psv88]

29 minutes ago, wdrag said:

OKX radar showing Long Island lake effect light snow shower fragments translating east along the edge of the virga shield across Li. Take a look. I think the EC had this in some prior cycles for 00z/22. 

Not seeing any flurries out here Walt. Radar does have an interesting look though 

[NorthShoreWx]

7 minutes ago, psv88 said:

Not seeing any flurries out here Walt. Radar does have an interesting look though 

More likely on south fork.  But interesting to watch.  I hadn't made any possible connection about OES until I saw Walt's post.  I had nothing but different shades of virga in my head.

[Volcanic Winter]

Nothing here yet, but I’m on the western border with Manchester about as far away from the coast as you can be in Toms River. 

[Redmorninglight]

Nice burst of snow last 90 minutes here in cape May. Just a dusting of very fluffy powder. About 18 degrees. Looks to be done.


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[NorthShoreWx]

Snowing at Montauk:

https://hamptons.com/east-lake-beach/

 

[WestBabylonWeather]

Coating in Montauk. 
 

man. What could have been 

[psv88]

Maybe a flurry here or blowing snow? 

[Volcanic Winter]

1 hour ago, psv88 said:

Maybe a flurry here or blowing snow? 

Are you on LI? Still nothing here at all, but if this is a dusting for the extreme coast + LI -> SEMA only I’m probably just a bit too far inland. Radar looks well offshore  and like it’s virga anyway, would’ve been cool to see a flake or two but wasn’t expecting anything. 

[NorthShoreWx]

Probably will be little more than a coating around Montauk (ending soon) but the Cape and Islands could get an inch or three.

[Volcanic Winter]

51 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

Probably will be little more than a coating around Montauk (ending soon) but the Cape and Islands could get an inch or three.

That’s good for them, I don’t think the cape got really anything in that last event. I kept checking their thermals and they were pretty torched even way later on. 

[Dark Star]

9 hours ago, psv88 said:

Maybe a flurry here or blowing snow? 

For my area, blowing salt.  The streets are so white, you would swear it was covered in ice or snow.  The salt will be here for weeks now, getting in animals' feet, our shoes, cars, storm sewers, rivers, streams, drinking water...

[wdrag]

Thank you ALL very much for all YOUR reports.  Posting NWS storm reports south of Toms River, and the CoCoRaHs, plus the KBID observation (ignore their Trace melted-no way trace and again another consideration when looking at METAR reports water equivalent below 30F.  Added KJPX (East Hampton LI)

It was close and we always knew from the outset headline it was fringe.

 

If any more reports just add em on.  Am basically done with this one. 

 

I did check the originating ensemble guidance.  EPS was worst,  CMCE middle but way too much and the GEFS had a total miss and didnt bother to post it. 

 

GEFS was best 24 hours in advance (much closer to T0 it recognized what would happen).  

[weathermedic]

1 hour ago, Dark Star said:

For my area, blowing salt.  The streets are so white, you would swear it was covered in ice or snow.  The salt will be here for weeks now, getting in animals' feet, our shoes, cars, storm sewers, rivers, streams, drinking water...

Don't forget the Con Ed manholes here in the city which will inevitably result in several manhole fires

[Snowshack]

2 hours ago, Dark Star said:

For my area, blowing salt.  The streets are so white, you would swear it was covered in ice or snow.  The salt will be here for weeks now, getting in animals' feet, our shoes, cars, storm sewers, rivers, streams, drinking water...

It’s absurd.  Someone that works at my town’s Highway department was recently telling me about the large number of calls they get requesting road treatment in advance of every forecasted snowfall.   They are in a no-win situation.  

[LibertyBell]

16 hours ago, psv88 said:

Maybe a flurry here or blowing snow? 

we had that here too, I think it was blowing snow.  The visibility was very low and I don't think the snow shield could make it this far west.

 

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, Snowshack said:

It’s absurd.  Someone that works at my town’s Highway department was recently telling me about the large number of calls they get requesting road treatment in advance of every forecasted snowfall.   They are in a no-win situation.  

they should just tell people to stay the hell home if they don't know how to drive in the snow.

[LibertyBell]

5 hours ago, weathermedic said:

Don't forget the Con Ed manholes here in the city which will inevitably result in several manhole fires

can't something be done about this? road salt is an environmental hazard

[psv88]

37 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

can't something be done about this? road salt is an environmental hazard

Haha nobody cares about the environment anymore man. It’s 2025! Seriously nobody gives a shit. That’s very 2008

[LibertyBell]

10 minutes ago, psv88 said:

Haha nobody cares about the environment anymore man. It’s 2025! Seriously nobody gives a shit. That’s very 2008

They seem to care when it damages their cars or the paws of their dogs though.

 

[Dan76]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

can't something be done about this? road salt is an environmental hazard

What should they use?

[Volcanic Winter]

42 minutes ago, Dan76 said:

What should they use?

I would argue the brine is excessive and we have a tendency to over applicate. I had brine from last winter get all up inside my engine unknown to me and destroy it, corroded oil lines and was shooting oil all over my driveway when it finally snapped. 

I don’t have the answer, but I think what they’re currently doing is a touch overzealous. 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, Dan76 said:

What should they use?

Beet juice.  It makes salt work at a lower temperature and less salt is needed when beet juice is added.

 

https://www.modot.org/tools-tackling-winter-weather#:~:text=The unassuming sugar beet makes,icy or snow-packed surfaces.&text=The sugar beet is of,well as feed for cattle.

 

• Beet juice has been proven to lessen the corrosive properties of the salt that we use to apply to the roads.