Sunday 1/19 Eagles Game Snow and Stuff

[penndotguy]

45 minutes ago, RedSky said:

No changes with the UKMET

Goalposts are set at a moderate 4-7" snow for majority of the region, 3" or lesser amounts southeast Jersey. Some lucky peeps might lollipop 8" but the system is moving to quick.

 

 

 

Imagine if we had blocking? But if we did it’d be too strong and suppression would be the issue so I’ll take 5-8 and hope banding sets up around me it’s happened before 

[Voyager]

3 hours ago, ChescoWx said:

How bout some thunder snow per Steve DiMartino at NYNJPA Weather?

That would be so awesome. I haven't experienced thundersnow since the Blizzard of 96.

[RedSky]

1 minute ago, penndotguy said:

Imagine if we had blocking? But if we did it’d be too strong and suppression would be the issue so I’ll take 5-8 and hope banding sets up around me it’s happened before 

Blocking is what turns the SECS into a MECS or even HECS. Good enough for me this storm should get me to normal or slightly above snowfall for December and January.

 

 

[Blue Dream]

Wonder why they have posted more watches or advisories yet. 

[RedSky]

29 minutes ago, Voyager said:

That would be so awesome. I haven't experienced thundersnow since the Blizzard of 96.

Getting flashbacks of the January 22nd storm of 1987. Great cold smoke storm forecast for 8" and  the heavy thundersnow was the difference maker in receiving 12". Eight hour quick moving storm too hmm..

That storm ended a several year futility streak of nothing over say 6-8"

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-01-22-mn-452-story.html

 

[Voyager]

2 minutes ago, RedSky said:

Getting flashbacks of the January 22nd storm of 1987. Great cold smoke storm forecast for 8" and  the heavy thundersnow was the difference maker in receiving 12". Eight hour quick moving storm too hmm..

 

I remember that one. Good storm, but I can't recall if we had thunder or not.

[JTA66]

Think we can get through the 1st quarter tomorrow without the announcers crying, “These are the same fans who threw snowballs at Santa in 1682.”??

[JTA66]

Had thunder snow with the 2006 storm.

[RedSky]

2 minutes ago, JTA66 said:

Had thunder snow with the 2006 storm.

Not 100% sure but think I heard thunder during last February's I78 death band that dumped mash potatoes for a couple hours

 

 

[snowwors2]

14 minutes ago, Blue Dream said:

Wonder why they have posted more watches or advisories yet. 

They will update around 3:15pm per usual‼️

[Birds~69]

 

 

[Blue Dream]

Just now, snowwors2 said:

They will update around 3:15pm per usual‼️

Got it. Couldn’t remember the time. 

[penndotguy]

12 minutes ago, JTA66 said:

Had thunder snow with the 2006 storm.

Quite possibly did but I don’t remember it out this way, as I did during the 96 storm I was out plowing then a recall 4 different flashes with thunder and the intensity of the snow was ridiculous we actually got pulled off the roads for a bit. 

[RedSky]

If winter remembers like in 1987 we get something like this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_1987_nor'easter

Hours of thundersnow overnight and I measured on the high end of a yardstick in the morning

The best winter of the 80's

[LVblizzard]

18z HRRR keeps Philly mostly snow tomorrow. 4-8” for the region with the jackpot zone through the ABE area.

[CoolHandMike]

8 minutes ago, RedSky said:

If winter remembers like in 1987 we get something like this one

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_1987_nor'easter

Hours of thundersnow overnight and I measured on the high end of a yardstick in the morning

The best winter of the 80's

I'd have been in 7th grade; I don't specifically recall that one, but it tracks with me remembering heavy snows out of nowhere. The 23rd would have been a Monday, so school might have been cancelled beforehand. I lived for those days, with thoughts of a possible snow day swirling in my head as I tried to go to sleep the night before. Waking up to heavy snow on Monday morning, I would have been elated.

I found this article from the NYT that mentions some snow totals around SEPA:

WET SNOW CLOGS ROADS IN THE EAST
By JAMES BARRON
Published: February 24, 1987

A storm that churned its way up the East Coast early yesterday dumped 11 inches of thick snow on the nation's capital - shutting down the Federal Government for the third time in six weeks - and left New York slippery, slushy, wet and white.
In Washington, where 300,000 Federal workers were told to stay home, the storm toppled utility poles, leaving live power lines sprawled across roads. More than 150,000 homes lost electricity, and malfunctions in a Maryland pumping station left some residents without water.

The Philadelphia area was draped with up to 23 inches of snow, and drifts in some suburbs rose at the rate of 5 inches an hour. The city government shut down, and virtually nothing moved in the morning. Bus and commuter-rail services were all knocked out.
It was the third major East Coast storm since the beginning of the year. Among the reported depths were 23 inches in Coatesville, Pa.; 18 in Valley Forge, Pa.; 13 in Martinsburg, W. Va.; 10 in New Brunswick, N.J., and 3 on Cape Cod. #100 Tractor-Trailers Stranded Before the storm swirled out to sea, at least one person had been killed, a 46-year-old woman from West Virginia who died in a traffic accident that officials attributed to icy roads.

Limited states of emergency were declared in New Jersey and Delaware, where the National Guard helped move traffic. In Maryland, the state police reported that 100 tractor-trailers were stranded on a 15-mile stretch of Interstate 83 near Baltimore. A dispacher in Carroll County, Md., said, ''Everything's stuck -troopers, salt trucks, everybody.''

In the New York metropolitan region, where the rough weather followed a warm weekend that made heavy coats seem superfluous, the storm covered streets and parks with 2 to 10 inches of snow, officials said.

The snow began falling gently before dawn, intensifying through the morning but tapering off when temperatures rose and the sun came out. The National Weather Service predicted sun for today, with high temperatures around 40, which could be enough to melt leftover snow. $2 Million Over Budget Yesterday, the Sanitation Department loaded 320 salt spreaders and sent out 730 plows. Some 2,015 workers, many on overtime, were assigned to snow removal, according to a spokesman, Vito A. Turso. He said the storm had put the department $2 million over its $10 million snow budget for the season.

Alternate-side-of-the-street parking was suspended, but the regulations went back into effect at 2 A.M. today, a spokesman for the Transportation Department, Victor Ross, said.

The storm created a temporal beauty that sent photographers to parks armed with all kinds of lenses. An amateur photographer in Hackensack, N.J., said as he focused on a low-hanging branch, ''What's a couple of extra minutes when you know that everyone else is going to be late?''

The storm stalled travelers up and down the East Coast, but did not stop a group of West Point cadets from going to the White House. President Reagan was to present them with the Commander in Chief's Award, an annual trophy that West Point won for defeating the Air Force and Naval Academy football teams last fall.

When the cadets learned that their flight from La Guardia Airport had been delayed, the cadets drove to Pennsylvania Station. There, they were told Amtrak trains were not running, a West Point spokesman, Andrea Hamburger, said. Back they went to La Guardia. Eventually their flight took off, and the cadets made it to the Cabinet Room, confident, proud and on time.

[JTA66]

34 minutes ago, RedSky said:

Not 100% sure but think I heard thunder during last February's I78 death band that dumped mash potatoes for a couple hours

 

 

Was that 2011? Now that I think about it, it was a dynamic storm with rain changing to snow. There must have been thunder because a bunch of us were online debating if we were getting hail or sleet. 

[Newman]

18z HRRR looks solid for most across the CWA, WSW criteria met for Berks and the Lehigh valley. Upper Bucks, Chesco, Montgomery as well. Philly itself flirts with the snow/mix line for much of the game tomorrow, but ultimately remains on the "snow" side of the line. Worst conditions in Philly are probably when the storm is pulling through with the last hour or two as temps crash and ratios/rates are enhanced a bit. So, I would expect a snow or snow/mix during the entire game tomorrow with the 4th quarter possibly being the worst.

[MGorse]

3 hours ago, snowwors2 said:

Any updated thoughts, Mike, on why lower bucks was/is left out of the WSWatch attm⁉️

Asking for a friend (no really)‼️

[CoolHandMike]

Aaand now it's official: Winter Storm Warning just hoisted:

Winter Storm Warning

Issued: 2:50 PM Jan. 18, 2025 – National Weather Service

...WINTER STORM WARNING IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM SUNDAY TO 1 AM EST
MONDAY...

* WHAT...Heavy snow expected. Total snow accumulations between 4 and
7 inches.

* WHERE...Portions of east central and southeast Pennsylvania.

* WHEN...From 7 AM Sunday to 1 AM EST Monday.

* IMPACTS...Roads, and especially bridges and overpasses, will
likely become slick and hazardous. Travel could be very difficult.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Temperatures are expected to fall into the
teens Sunday night and remain below freezing for several days. As
a result, icy and slippery conditions may persist even after
precipitation has ended.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

If you must travel, keep an extra flashlight, food, and water in
your vehicle in case of an emergency. The latest road conditions for
the state you are calling from can be obtained by calling 5 1 1.

&&

[penndotguy]

Warnings up now for Berks Lehigh valley 4-7”

[Duca892]

4-7in seems pretty spot on. Will be a nice quick snowstorm 

[kickingupastorm]

WWA for 4-6 inches 

Slightly disappointed.

[Blue Dream]

WWA for 2-4” in Lower Bucks. I can see that busting high. 

[Ralph Wiggum]

2 minutes ago, Blue Dream said:

WWA for 2-4” in Lower Bucks. I can see that busting high. 

Bummer

[Birds~69]

21 minutes ago, CoolHandMike said:

I'd have been in 7th grade; I don't specifically recall that one, but it tracks with me remembering heavy snows out of nowhere. The 23rd would have been a Monday, so school might have been cancelled beforehand. I lived for those days, with thoughts of a possible snow day swirling in my head as I tried to go to sleep the night before. Waking up to heavy snow on Monday morning, I would have been elated.

 

I got burnt many times thinking there will be no school so I didn't do my homework the night before. Wake up, flurries, light coating or nothing severe enough to close the schools. Went in empty handed, no homework done, nuns yelling or the evil eye...I could go on and on.

[RedSky]

21 minutes ago, CoolHandMike said:

I'd have been in 7th grade; I don't specifically recall that one, but it tracks with me remembering heavy snows out of nowhere. The 23rd would have been a Monday, so school might have been cancelled beforehand. I lived for those days, with thoughts of a possible snow day swirling in my head as I tried to go to sleep the night before. Waking up to heavy snow on Monday morning, I would have been elated.

I found this article from the NYT that mentions some snow totals around SEPA:

WET SNOW CLOGS ROADS IN THE EAST
By JAMES BARRON
Published: February 24, 1987

A storm that churned its way up the East Coast early yesterday dumped 11 inches of thick snow on the nation's capital - shutting down the Federal Government for the third time in six weeks - and left New York slippery, slushy, wet and white.
In Washington, where 300,000 Federal workers were told to stay home, the storm toppled utility poles, leaving live power lines sprawled across roads. More than 150,000 homes lost electricity, and malfunctions in a Maryland pumping station left some residents without water.

The Philadelphia area was draped with up to 23 inches of snow, and drifts in some suburbs rose at the rate of 5 inches an hour. The city government shut down, and virtually nothing moved in the morning. Bus and commuter-rail services were all knocked out.
It was the third major East Coast storm since the beginning of the year. Among the reported depths were 23 inches in Coatesville, Pa.; 18 in Valley Forge, Pa.; 13 in Martinsburg, W. Va.; 10 in New Brunswick, N.J., and 3 on Cape Cod. #100 Tractor-Trailers Stranded Before the storm swirled out to sea, at least one person had been killed, a 46-year-old woman from West Virginia who died in a traffic accident that officials attributed to icy roads.

Limited states of emergency were declared in New Jersey and Delaware, where the National Guard helped move traffic. In Maryland, the state police reported that 100 tractor-trailers were stranded on a 15-mile stretch of Interstate 83 near Baltimore. A dispacher in Carroll County, Md., said, ''Everything's stuck -troopers, salt trucks, everybody.''

In the New York metropolitan region, where the rough weather followed a warm weekend that made heavy coats seem superfluous, the storm covered streets and parks with 2 to 10 inches of snow, officials said.

The snow began falling gently before dawn, intensifying through the morning but tapering off when temperatures rose and the sun came out. The National Weather Service predicted sun for today, with high temperatures around 40, which could be enough to melt leftover snow. $2 Million Over Budget Yesterday, the Sanitation Department loaded 320 salt spreaders and sent out 730 plows. Some 2,015 workers, many on overtime, were assigned to snow removal, according to a spokesman, Vito A. Turso. He said the storm had put the department $2 million over its $10 million snow budget for the season.

Alternate-side-of-the-street parking was suspended, but the regulations went back into effect at 2 A.M. today, a spokesman for the Transportation Department, Victor Ross, said.

The storm created a temporal beauty that sent photographers to parks armed with all kinds of lenses. An amateur photographer in Hackensack, N.J., said as he focused on a low-hanging branch, ''What's a couple of extra minutes when you know that everyone else is going to be late?''

The storm stalled travelers up and down the East Coast, but did not stop a group of West Point cadets from going to the White House. President Reagan was to present them with the Commander in Chief's Award, an annual trophy that West Point won for defeating the Air Force and Naval Academy football teams last fall.

When the cadets learned that their flight from La Guardia Airport had been delayed, the cadets drove to Pennsylvania Station. There, they were told Amtrak trains were not running, a West Point spokesman, Andrea Hamburger, said. Back they went to La Guardia. Eventually their flight took off, and the cadets made it to the Cabinet Room, confident, proud and on time.

Biggest weirdest storm ever. Went to bed with rain with a forecast of changing to snow late, don't remember forecast amounts but it wasn't much. Got up to a winter wonderland with semi drifted mounds of heavy mash potato snow. Convection driven localized amounts that varied significantly.

The 14yo lab boxer mix appeared and vanished hopping through it. Melted crazy fast I was despondent over that lol.

 

[Blue Dream]

1 minute ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

Bummer

I think 4-6 looks more likely for us based on the latest models   I wouldn’t complain about 2-4 followed by arctic cold though 

[Kevin Reilly]

53 minutes ago, penndotguy said:

Quite possibly did but I don’t remember it out this way, as I did during the 96 storm I was out plowing then a recall 4 different flashes with thunder and the intensity of the snow was ridiculous we actually got pulled off the roads for a bit. 

There was a lot of lighting and thunder February 11th 1983 where I lived in northeast Philadelphia.  Yes though for me last time I heard muffled thunder with snow was January 7th 1996.

[Ralph Wiggum]

1 minute ago, Blue Dream said:

I think 4-6 looks more likely for us based on the latest models   I wouldn’t complain about 2-4 followed by arctic cold though 

NAM says heavy snow comes in like a wall for kickoff. Interesting.