Discussion-OBS slippery plowable moderate to high impact snowstorm with many delays near I95 and inland btwn 10AM Sun 1/19-4AM Mon Jan 20. R/S line uncertain near and east of I95 - parts of LI may be limited snowfall of around 1"?

[ILoveWinter]

26 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

Or the more obvious they just F'd up the measurement as always.

They did mess up. It wasn't the banding because LGA didn't really get into that (as opposed to southern Brooklyn or Queens) and they measured 3.6. Pretty ridiculous but more of the same. 

[etudiant]

1 hour ago, nycwinter said:

1.6 central park complete bust..

Seems legit, I don't know where they measure, but walking around in the Park it's about 2" all over.

[Snowlover11]

Nice storm here with 6” or so up to 12.4” on the season.

[Stormlover74]

1 hour ago, Dark Star said:

I "think" the NWS was pretty accurate with this one.  There were a lot of varying forecasts from other entities, but none too far off the mark.  Even though my backyard (Garwood NJ - central Union county) received 3.5", I was a little disappointed.  I was hoping for a little bit of an overperformer.  But with the subsidence at the exact time the heavier stuff was supposed to fall, I knew it was not to be.  Even though the radar showed the "screw" zone, I was pessimistically optimistic that it would quickly fill in as some had mentioned.  At least it's cold, and my fire is still burning from last night...

I don't think there was much of a screw zone. The graupel mixing in during the heavier precip for the first few hours may have hurt us a bit.

There were a few isolated amounts over 4" but most of the 5+ was from Hunterdon over through Morris and west Essex on north and west. Generally it was 3 to 4 south of 78 and dropped off once south of us by 20 or 30 miles. 

[jm1220]

24 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

I don't think there was much of a screw zone. The graupel mixing in during the heavier precip for the first few hours may have hurt us a bit.

There were a few isolated amounts over 4" but most of the 5+ was from Hunterdon over through Morris and west Essex on north and west. Generally it was 3 to 4 south of 78 and dropped off once south of us by 20 or 30 miles. 

On the low end of expectations generally but a nice event. It was clear yesterday AM that other than the places hit by the 700mb/mid-level band it wouldn't live up to the higher expectations since this was a disorganized system that couldn't really drive in the Atlantic moisture. 3.5-4" around this area, can't complain. 

[Dark Star]

2 hours ago, MJO812 said:

Yes

I suppose varying waves of heavier precipitation that occurs in almost nearly every storm, rain or snow events, is banding.  However, I think we throw around the term as though one town receives 12" while a neighboring town receives 2".  These would more appropriately be referred to as deformation zones, or areas of intense lifting caused by specific synoptic conditions?  I think this would be an interesting point of discussion on one of the banter topics?

[Dark Star]

47 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

I don't think there was much of a screw zone. The graupel mixing in during the heavier precip for the first few hours may have hurt us a bit.

There were a few isolated amounts over 4" but most of the 5+ was from Hunterdon over through Morris and west Essex on north and west. Generally it was 3 to 4 south of 78 and dropped off once south of us by 20 or 30 miles. 

I would debate that central Union county NJ was in a bit of a "screw" zone.  Around 3 PM, when the system was forecast to really start intensifying, an area of subsidence occurred and brought the intensity to a very light flizzle...

[Allsnow]

3.5 total in Metuchen 

 

Deep winter landscape currently 

 

disappointing total for nyc especially considering the model runs leading up to the event. We very well might break the longest streak without a 4+ snowstorm 

 

 

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

1 hour ago, etudiant said:

Seems legit, I don't know where they measure, but walking around in the Park it's about 2" all over.

Maybe it's 2 inches now after a whole night of compression and settling. Doubtful at midnight last night when they measured it was 1.6 but it's par for the course.

[MJO812]

21 minutes ago, Allsnow said:

3.5 total in Metuchen 

 

Deep winter landscape currently 

 

disappointing total for nyc especially considering the model runs leading up to the event. We very well might break the longest streak without a 4+ snowstorm 

 

 

What's the streak ?

[hooralph]

22 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

Maybe it's 2 inches now after a whole night of compression and settling. Doubtful at midnight last night when they measured it was 1.6 but it's par for the course.

Do you live in Manhattan? 
 

I’m about a mile from the CPK station and I couldn’t measure 2” last night anywhere.  I would have guessed more like 1.8” but it’s not some criminal under measurement.

Still enough to create a winter wonderland with the cold.

[wdrag]

Summary: You be the judge of the ensemble performance 8 days ago when this 88 page thread began.  Added a bunch of CoCoRaHs data (as reported) to verify...more or less what happened yesterday-last night. 

[steve392]

Maybe 4" max at home, a lot settled.  Amazes me how it's melting in 19" temps. 

[LibertyBell]

3 hours ago, ILoveWinter said:

They did mess up. It wasn't the banding because LGA didn't really get into that (as opposed to southern Brooklyn or Queens) and they measured 3.6. Pretty ridiculous but more of the same. 

LGA is in Queens though, they don't have the same weather as Central Park does.

[LibertyBell]

52 minutes ago, wdrag said:

Summary: You be the judge of the ensemble performance 8 days ago when this 88 page thread began.  Added a bunch of CoCoRaHs data (as reported) to verify...more or less what happened yesterday-last night. 

3.8" at JFK, Walt? Sounds about right, I measured just under 4"

[LibertyBell]

2 hours ago, jm1220 said:

On the low end of expectations generally but a nice event. It was clear yesterday AM that other than the places hit by the 700mb/mid-level band it wouldn't live up to the higher expectations since this was a disorganized system that couldn't really drive in the Atlantic moisture. 3.5-4" around this area, can't complain. 

the south shore got about the same, a little under 4"

[LibertyBell]

3 hours ago, NEG NAO said:

The main problem is when folks look  at seasonal yearly totals NYC which includes 5 Boroughs is mainly represented by this:

monthlyseasonalsnowfall.pdf

they lowball summertime temps too and their wind speed measurements....

[donsutherland1]

Photos from the snowstorm taken at Nichols Preserve (Greenwich, CT) where about 4" of powdery snow fell.

[Joe4alb]

little band at the very end pushed us up to 1" on the east end...

[psv88]

Took a drive to Robert Moses and there was snow right down to the beaches. Probably an inch on the sand itself, immediate south shore around 2”. Nice to see the beaches blanketed in snow. 
 

 

[SnowGoose69]

2 hours ago, hooralph said:

Do you live in Manhattan? 
 

I’m about a mile from the CPK station and I couldn’t measure 2” last night anywhere.  I would have guessed more like 1.8” but it’s not some criminal under measurement.

Still enough to create a winter wonderland with the cold.

Yup.  I got 1.8 or so on average, they were pretty close.  EWR got a bit more than NYC because they snowed for awhile late afternoon while we were dry slotting as well as LGA/JFK.  In the evening the heavier bands in the 7-9pm window slid just ESE of NYC hitting LGA/JFK.  JFK I think melted more as they took longer to get to 32 than LGA did.

[jm1220]

1 minute ago, SnowGoose69 said:

Yup.  I got 1.8 or so on average, they were pretty close.  EWR got a bit more than NYC because they snowed for awhile late afternoon while we were dry slotting as well as LGA/JFK.  In the evening the heavier bands in the 7-9pm window slid just ESE of NYC hitting LGA/JFK.  JFK I think melted more as they took longer to get to 32 than LGA did.

Pathetic. Wonder how many Gulf coast cities will have more for the season than Central Park in 24-48 hours? Not enough for Memphis and Little Rock of course. Nice event generally and we take, but snow wise this is still one of our lamest winters. 

[SnowGoose69]

Just now, jm1220 said:

Pathetic. Wonder how many Gulf coast cities will have more for the season than Central Park in 24-48 hours? Not enough for Memphis and Little Rock of course. Nice event generally and we take, but snow wise this is still one of our lamest winters. 

Baton Rouge maybe, not sure anyone else does, I think there will be alot of 2s-3s because of sleet in most other stations.  Montgomery/Augusta/Columbus are ones to watch maybe too.  New Orleans/Charleston/Mobile/Pensacola will mix as will houston

[LibertyBell]

34 minutes ago, SnowGoose69 said:

Yup.  I got 1.8 or so on average, they were pretty close.  EWR got a bit more than NYC because they snowed for awhile late afternoon while we were dry slotting as well as LGA/JFK.  In the evening the heavier bands in the 7-9pm window slid just ESE of NYC hitting LGA/JFK.  JFK I think melted more as they took longer to get to 32 than LGA did.

and 3.5-3.8 were commonplace in southern Queens so JFK might have had a bit of an undermeasurement.

[ILoveWinter]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

LGA is in Queens though, they don't have the same weather as Central Park does.

Not exactly the same but geographically they are quite close (5-7 miles as the crow files at most?)

[psv88]

Nice map of northeast snowfall reports 

https://www.weather.gov/source/crh/snowmap.html?zoom=8&lat=42&lon=-71.82&hr=24

[nightknights]

Kind of odd 2nd straight event with 1 clap of thunder & 1 lightning bolt.  I wouldnt normally associate with weak sauce systems

[The 4 Seasons]

Tri-state snowfall totals for this event. Reports from COOP, CoCoRaHs, and NWS PNS reports. 

[Stormlover74]

Central Park sticks out like a sore thumb

[The 4 Seasons]

5 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

Central Park sticks out like a sore thumb

Yep. I noticed that and was just going to leave it out, but its an official OB so i included it but im sure its too low