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1/19 - The Weekend Roulette Wheel Thing


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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC
1246 PM EST Sat Jan 18 2025

DCZ001-MDZ013-014-VAZ051-053-054-502-527-190200-
/O.NEW.KLWX.WW.Y.0005.250119T1200Z-250120T0000Z/
District of Columbia-Prince Georges-Anne Arundel-Culpeper-Fairfax-
Arlington/Falls Church/Alexandria-Southern Fauquier-Central and
Southeast Prince William/Manassas/Manassas Park-
1246 PM EST Sat Jan 18 2025

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM TO 7 PM EST SUNDAY...

* WHAT...Snow expected. Total snow accumulations between 2 and 4
  inches.

* WHERE...The District of Columbia, central Maryland, and northern
  Virginia.

* WHEN...From 7 AM to 7 PM EST Sunday.

* IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult. The hazardous conditions
  will impact travel.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Snow will overspread the area Sunday morning
  and continue through the afternoon before tapering off during the
  evening. Snowfall rates could approach 1 inch an hour at times.
  Temperatures will fall into the teens Sunday night so any
  lingering moisture on area roadways will freeze.
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1 minute ago, yoda said:
URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC
1246 PM EST Sat Jan 18 2025

DCZ001-MDZ013-014-VAZ051-053-054-502-527-190200-
/O.NEW.KLWX.WW.Y.0005.250119T1200Z-250120T0000Z/
District of Columbia-Prince Georges-Anne Arundel-Culpeper-Fairfax-
Arlington/Falls Church/Alexandria-Southern Fauquier-Central and
Southeast Prince William/Manassas/Manassas Park-
1246 PM EST Sat Jan 18 2025

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM TO 7 PM EST SUNDAY...

* WHAT...Snow expected. Total snow accumulations between 2 and 4
  inches.

* WHERE...The District of Columbia, central Maryland, and northern
  Virginia.

* WHEN...From 7 AM to 7 PM EST Sunday.

* IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult. The hazardous conditions
  will impact travel.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Snow will overspread the area Sunday morning
  and continue through the afternoon before tapering off during the
  evening. Snowfall rates could approach 1 inch an hour at times.
  Temperatures will fall into the teens Sunday night so any
  lingering moisture on area roadways will freeze.

 I like how they say rates can be  an inch an hour but only  call for 2 to 4 inches lol

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17 minutes ago, winter_warlock said:

Yeah but still I just think NWS is being a lil conservative. Considering  what models are shoin But they always do that  lol 

I prefer when they start conservative and increase totals.  When they are too bullish, we end up not verifying (like the last storm). 

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URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC
1246 PM EST Sat Jan 18 2025

MDZ008-011-504-506-508-VAZ025-038-039-504-508-190200-
/O.NEW.KLWX.WW.Y.0005.250119T1200Z-250120T0000Z/
Cecil-Southern Baltimore-Central and Southeast Montgomery-Central
and Southeast Howard-Southeast Harford-Augusta-Greene-Madison-
Eastern Highland-Central Virginia Blue Ridge-
1246 PM EST Sat Jan 18 2025

...WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY IN EFFECT FROM 7 AM TO 7 PM EST SUNDAY...

* WHAT...Snow expected. Total snow accumulations between 2 and 4
  inches.

* WHERE...Portions of central, northeast, and northern Maryland and
  central, northwest, and western Virginia.

* WHEN...From 7 AM to 7 PM EST Sunday.

* IMPACTS...Travel could be very difficult. The hazardous conditions
  will impact travel.

* ADDITIONAL DETAILS...Snow will overspread the area Sunday morning
  and continue through the afternoon before tapering off during the
  evening. Snowfall rates could approach 1 inch an hour at times.
  Temperatures will fall into the teens Sunday night so any
  lingering moisture on area roadways will freeze.
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Anyone know how the fv3 is with placing VVs?  Trying to get an idea of ratios and the GFs has lift centered ideally in the DGZ but the fv3 has the lift oddly centered very low for much of the storm. Would make a huge difference in ratios. Is there any data on which is better?  I am leery of using the 3k NAM because it doesn’t really have that deform band at all which I think is wrong. And I can’t get euro soundings. 
 

Thanks. 

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13 minutes ago, psuhoffman said:

Anyone know how the fv3 is with placing VVs?  Trying to get an idea of ratios and the GFs has lift centered ideally in the DGZ but the fv3 has the lift oddly centered very low for much of the storm. Would make a huge difference in ratios. Is there any data on which is better?  I am leery of using the 3k NAM because it doesn’t really have that deform band at all which I think is wrong. And I can’t get euro soundings. 
 

Thanks. 

The fv3 has inherent problems with updrafts because of the d-grid. Not sure how this translates to winter storms but take a look at this: https://epic.noaa.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/UIFCW-2023-Tue-4.-Wicker_FV3_UFS_Talk-1.pdf

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1 minute ago, Amped said:

I always get nervous in these anafront setups where we have to wait for cold air to come over the mountains. Models are usually too fast to cool things off. Hopefully we still get a decent event.

It’s not like we are in the 50s/60s today. Has to cool from the upper 30s 

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1 minute ago, Amped said:

I always get nervous in these anafront setups where we have to wait for cold air to come over the mountains. Models are usually too fast to cool things off. Hopefully we still get a decent event.

You're definitely correct but I think the difference here is that this isn't our usual little bs cold shot. This is a legit arctic airmass.

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