DDweatherman Posted 23 hours ago Author Share Posted 23 hours ago Rgem is a little better with the rain snow line on 6z. Slightly more SE and totals not quite as outrageous, but still a big storm NW of the fall line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interstate Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago I will say this. The RGEM has pretty much been locked in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago Sw looks stronger on gfs thru 42 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago GFS better, wetter 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxmvpete Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago My heavy snow discussion tonight went into some of the model differences, the synoptic/mesoscale setup, and how the probabilistic snowfall totals and impact guidance looked as of tonight. ...Mid Atlantic and Northeast...Day 3......Confidence is increasing in a disruptive winter storm from theMid-Atlantic to the Northeast with locally heavy snowfall possiblealong the I-95 corridor...Model diagnostics: Over the past 24-36 hours, guidance has comeinto better agreement on a deepening 500mb trough over the OhioValley and higher height rises in the Atlantic south of Bermuda.AI-based guidance (ECMWF-AIFS and GFS GraphCast) have been showingthis increasing potential over this time span while ensembles(ECMWF-EPS, GEFS, GEPS) have all gradually trended snowier aswell. While this is the case, deterministic guidance still showsthe lingering uncertainties with the 500mb trough's amplitude andposition 12Z Sunday. The 00Z GFS is slightly deeper vs the 00ZECMWF. The 00Z CMC is similar to the ECMWF 500mb disturbance'sstrength, but with less confluence over the Northeast, allowingfor a more storm track on the northern side of the trackdistribution. The UKMET also has a similar look to the Canadian,albeit with a colder boundary layer setup given stronger confluenceover the Northeast. Overall, the AI-based guidance and the trendsin the ensembles provide an increased confidence in a synoptic-scale setup that is boosting confidence in a winter storm from theMid-Atlantic to the Northeast, but more specific details on stormtrack still need to be ironed out over the next 24-36 hours.Synoptic & mesoscale analysis: The approaching upper-level troughSaturday night will amplify over the Ohio Valley and place astrengthening 250-500mb layer-averaged jet streak over the Mid-Atlantic by Sunday morning. NAEFS shows 200mb and 500mb winds overthe Southeast U.S. are above the 90th climatological percentileand foster healthy upper level divergence aloft on Sunday. Atlower levels, a cold front Saturday night will stall out along theMid-Atlantic coast and into southern Virginia. The front, residingbeneath the synoptically-favorable jet stream setup, will spawn anarea of low pressure Sunday morning in the Carolinas and graduallystrengthen as it heads for the Mid-Atlantic coast Sundayafternoon. The heaviest banding of snow is likely to reside northof 850mb frontogenesis, which will become more and more pronouncedas the 850mb low forms somewhere along the Jersey Coast and tracksnortheast towards Long Island and the MA Capes Sunday evening. Thestorm is a progressive one, but given the sufficient synoptic andmesoscale processes, the deformation zone of heavy snow would bemore than capable of generating ~1"/hr snowfall rates, especiallyfor areas from the Delaware Valley on north and east through theTri-State area and into southern New England where they are morelikely to have better mesoscale forcing as the 850mb low deepensSunday night.Timing & snowfall/impact probabilities: As mentioned before, thisis a quick hitting system that is all but gone by midday Monday asit races toward the Canadian Maritimes by Monday afternoon. Snowis forecast to be at its heaviest Sunday morning and afternoon forthe DC/Baltimore metros, the Philly/NYC metros Sunday afternoonand evening, then across southern New England Sunday night intoearly Monday morning. Latest WPC probabilities show moderate-to-high chances (50-70%) for snowfall totals >4" from the DelawareValley on north through the Lower Hudson Valley and across southernNew England. Low-to-moderate chances (30-50%) for >4" extend asfar north and east as Downeast Maine. WPC probabilities even showsome spotty low chance probabilities (10-20%) for snowfall totals>8" in parts of southern New England. The DC/Baltimore metro areassport low chance probabilities (10-30%) for >4" of snowfall at themoment, while the Philly and NYC metros are in the moderate range(40-60%) for >4" of snow. While exact amounts remain unclear, theWSSI-P Minor probabilities are >60% for the full length of I-95from DC to Boston, indicating the heightened potential forhazardous travel conditions Sunday into Monday. WPC has initiated KeyMessages for this event and can be viewed at the bottom of thisdiscussion.Mullinax 28 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 426am AFD from LWX A relative lull is expected Saturday late afternoon and evening as the initial Arctic front pushes to the east and a wave of surface low pressure goes with it, at least outside of the mountains, where snow looks to continue. A second wave of low pressure will take shape over the TN Valley, which will become our Sunday winter storm. Precipitation chances continue to increase on Sunday with guidance trending towards a snowier solution areawide. At least a light accumulating snowfall is becoming increasingly likely across most of the forecast area as a fast-moving, yet potent, low pressure system slides by to our south. The arctic front Saturday will have ushered in sub-freezing air to much of the region by the time of precipitation onset. There may be some thermal issues towards southern MD and the VA Piedmont, but for the most part, looks like an all snow event for many. Initial forecast amounts are in the 1 to 3 inch range in those areas where thermal issues may exist at the onset, with 3 to 4 inches seems most likely along and north of I-66/US-50. The upslope areas will of course see substantially more, and over a bit of a longer timeframe. For most, this system will be very quick-moving, lasting around 6 to 12 hours or so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago Snow 7am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 4-8 across the forum, except 2-4 south of Charles County 8 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago Mix line closer to cape…low more tucked in 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillvilleWx Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 minute ago, wxmvpete said: My heavy snow discussion tonight went into some of the model differences, the synoptic/mesoscale setup, and how the probabilistic snowfall totals and impact guidance looked as of tonight. ...Mid Atlantic and Northeast...Day 3......Confidence is increasing in a disruptive winter storm from theMid-Atlantic to the Northeast with locally heavy snowfall possiblealong the I-95 corridor...Model diagnostics: Over the past 24-36 hours, guidance has comeinto better agreement on a deepening 500mb trough over the OhioValley and higher height rises in the Atlantic south of Bermuda.AI-based guidance (ECMWF-AIFS and GFS GraphCast) have been showingthis increasing potential over this time span while ensembles(ECMWF-EPS, GEFS, GEPS) have all gradually trended snowier aswell. While this is the case, deterministic guidance still showsthe lingering uncertainties with the 500mb trough's amplitude andposition 12Z Sunday. The 00Z GFS is slightly deeper vs the 00ZECMWF. The 00Z CMC is similar to the ECMWF 500mb disturbance'sstrength, but with less confluence over the Northeast, allowingfor a more storm track on the northern side of the trackdistribution. The UKMET also has a similar look to the Canadian,albeit with a colder boundary layer setup given stronger confluenceover the Northeast. Overall, the AI-based guidance and the trendsin the ensembles provide an increased confidence in a synoptic-scale setup that is boosting confidence in a winter storm from theMid-Atlantic to the Northeast, but more specific details on stormtrack still need to be ironed out over the next 24-36 hours.Synoptic & mesoscale analysis: The approaching upper-level troughSaturday night will amplify over the Ohio Valley and place astrengthening 250-500mb layer-averaged jet streak over the Mid-Atlantic by Sunday morning. NAEFS shows 200mb and 500mb winds overthe Southeast U.S. are above the 90th climatological percentileand foster healthy upper level divergence aloft on Sunday. Atlower levels, a cold front Saturday night will stall out along theMid-Atlantic coast and into southern Virginia. The front, residingbeneath the synoptically-favorable jet stream setup, will spawn anarea of low pressure Sunday morning in the Carolinas and graduallystrengthen as it heads for the Mid-Atlantic coast Sundayafternoon. The heaviest banding of snow is likely to reside northof 850mb frontogenesis, which will become more and more pronouncedas the 850mb low forms somewhere along the Jersey Coast and tracksnortheast towards Long Island and the MA Capes Sunday evening. Thestorm is a progressive one, but given the sufficient synoptic andmesoscale processes, the deformation zone of heavy snow would bemore than capable of generating ~1"/hr snowfall rates, especiallyfor areas from the Delaware Valley on north and east through theTri-State area and into southern New England where they are morelikely to have better mesoscale forcing as the 850mb low deepensSunday night.Timing & snowfall/impact probabilities: As mentioned before, thisis a quick hitting system that is all but gone by midday Monday asit races toward the Canadian Maritimes by Monday afternoon. Snowis forecast to be at its heaviest Sunday morning and afternoon forthe DC/Baltimore metros, the Philly/NYC metros Sunday afternoonand evening, then across southern New England Sunday night intoearly Monday morning. Latest WPC probabilities show moderate-to-high chances (50-70%) for snowfall totals >4" from the DelawareValley on north through the Lower Hudson Valley and across southernNew England. Low-to-moderate chances (30-50%) for >4" extend asfar north and east as Downeast Maine. WPC probabilities even showsome spotty low chance probabilities (10-20%) for snowfall totals>8" in parts of southern New England. The DC/Baltimore metro areassport low chance probabilities (10-30%) for >4" of snowfall at themoment, while the Philly and NYC metros are in the moderate range(40-60%) for >4" of snow. While exact amounts remain unclear, theWSSI-P Minor probabilities are >60% for the full length of I-95from DC to Boston, indicating the heightened potential forhazardous travel conditions Sunday into Monday. WPC has initiated KeyMessages for this event and can be viewed at the bottom of thisdiscussion.Mullinax Great write-up as always! Looks like we are seeing the proverbial “goal posts” among the deterministic and can assess the finer details likely either this afternoon, or by tonight. Ensemble spread is muted compared to yesterday. Looks like a beautiful day of snow and football this Sunday. Couldn’t be more stoked for that. I’ll try my best to follow what you volleyball set to me today 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 4-8 across the forum, except 2-4 south of Charles CountyConcerned about a nw trend? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 minute ago, Ji said: Mix line closer to cape…low more tucked in It's a hit dude. lol..look back a page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago Just now, Ji said: Concerned about a nw trend? I mean, with the RGEM being north/west a little? But Euro/GFS/Ukie are where we want it...so I'm fine for now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago I mean, with the RGEM being north/west a little? But Euro/GFS/Ukie are where we want it...so I'm fine for now 2 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 6-10? lol 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormtracker Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 1 minute ago, Ji said: 6-10? lol Let's not get greedy. Still having a hard time believing we'll get about 4 where I am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Ji said: Looks ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Ji said: Mix line closer to cape…low more tucked in It's not really even a mix line. Hideous dry slot. Some light precip as the low pulls north. That track isn't good for over here but more like the CMC, which has been pretty consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago SBY gets .05" total qpf on that run lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago Looks okSw Loudoun special 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter_warlock Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago Most guidance is looking good for a 4 to 7 inch snowstorm for alot if us!!.. But if the CRAS don't show it I'm not a beleiver!! Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago I don't see it posted, so here's 0z EuroAI qpf. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago A bit of good news for the non-NW folks. 6z GGEM has shifted south some. Here's the link to qpf that falls as snow. Remember to multiply mm times .4 to get qpf in inches. Don't forget to move the decimal point!!! https://meteocentre.com/numerical-weather-prediction/precipitation-accumulation.php?lang=en&map=qc&run=06&mod=cmc_gdps&hi=000&hf=120&type=SN&mode=latest&yyyy=latest&mm=latest&dd=latest&capa_verif=off 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 7 hours ago, Ji said: Ugh it’s slipping away 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago QPF totals for each model IMBY 06z GFS .3 00z Euro AI .55 06z Euro .29 00z GEM .97 06z Icon .27 06z Ukie .39 06z NAM .08 Hoping those Canadians have the right idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 6z Euro filling in the gaps at least. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago FWIW - NWS Blend QPF for the area 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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