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Tracking either the biggest storm to affect at a regional scale since perhaps 2013 ... or, a complete whiff. Pick-em'


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I don't even know if ensembles matter much at this point anymore. The only was we're going to get clarity on the southern stream shortwave and whether it is held back or not is going to be sampling in real time or probably not until like with 0z guidance tomorrow night. By then models should have an idea. I get the ENS can at least give you an idea of which way to lean but that is almost irrelevant in this case. 

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1 minute ago, weatherwiz said:

I don't even know if ensembles matter much at this point anymore. The only was we're going to get clarity on the southern stream shortwave and whether it is held back or not is going to be sampling in real time or probably not until like with 0z guidance tomorrow night. By then models should have an idea. I get the ENS can at least give you an idea of which way to lean but that is almost irrelevant in this case. 

Ensembles give you some sense of confidence or lack thereof in the forecast. Right now it's pretty low confidence for sensible weather

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Just now, JC-CT said:

Ensembles give you some sense of confidence or lack thereof in the forecast. Right now it's pretty low confidence for sensible weather

that they do but there are instances there value isn't the best. I mean in the case of this event, they aren't telling us anything we don't already know. Sure you can look at it and come to the conclusion that the mean favors less or later phasing and little-to-no hit but even within the ensembles on this, they are yielding just as much spread. they aren't helping to reduce the spread here.

 

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45 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

If there’s one golden nugget of hope, it’s that the Euro suite is dragging the SW energy the most and it’s a known model bias for it to do so. So perhaps we may see some slightly better solutions going forward if it can “catch up” to reality…that is assuming it is dragging the energy too much. If it’s not, then we’re cooked. 
 

But if it is, then we still have a legit chance for something decent. The discouraging part is that the other guidance has been dragging the southern vort too, just not as much as the Euro. 

well ... if we're designing hope out of uncertainties like that, we may as well include that fact that the relay off the pacific is barely even started - there's a 'positive' chance there, in fact a reasonable one.

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50 minutes ago, SnowGoose69 said:

I got a bunch of texts about the NAVGEM.  It still does usually end up more progressive than other models.  I think that was just an off run but its interesting, if it continues to be that amped up I've seen cases where that ends up being an indicator other models move north or west

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