dallen7908 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/101/6/bamsD190014.xml ok, only tangentially related, but if you're in the mood to read about some real cold - and Laura Ingalls Wilder - check out the link. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, mitchnick said: Surprisingly, when the AI starts precip in the area, this is the 850 map. The 0 line is pretty far north and then creeps north from here 0z 1/23. It's tough to tell, but basically just north of SBY westward near the MD/VA border. So that tells me there's no cold pushing down so northward progress of the storm in future runs would seem a better than 50-50 bet imho. Here's a link: https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/aifs_medium-z500-t850?base_time=202501141800&projection=opencharts_north_america&valid_time=202501230600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 28 minutes ago, cbmclean said: Big 3 ensembles show the SER firmly in charge at the end of their runs. Hopefully they are hallucinating a canonical nina response. They do but they also still show signs of the pac jet undercutting in the central pacific and now signs of the AO going negative again. It wouldn’t take much adjustment to shift cold back into the east. Even the look they show wouldn’t be hopeless as trailing waves would have potential with cold close by. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 34 minutes ago, DarkSharkWX said: new AIFS goes up the coast more compared to last run where it was suppressed Close up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terpeast Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, mitchnick said: Here's a link: https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/aifs_medium-z500-t850?base_time=202501141800&projection=opencharts_north_america&valid_time=202501230600 I wouldn’t take AI too seriously when it comes to thermals. While they do pretty well at upper level verification, they actually do poorly with temps. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisy Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Woof. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeguyfromTakomaPark Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Just now, mitchnick said: Close up That precip distribution with torching 850s doesn’t seem to make sense if we are talking about next weeks storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 minutes ago, Terpeast said: I wouldn’t take AI too seriously when it comes to thermals. While they do pretty well at upper level verification, they actually do poorly with temps. When you leave your current employer, let me know beforehand as I'll need you to get me some docs there! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3 minutes ago, Heisy said: Woof . If it ends up a Lakes cutter, you'll be seeing this post again...trust me! Lol 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terpeast Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 10 minutes ago, mitchnick said: When you leave your current employer, let me know beforehand as I'll need you to get me some docs there! Haha don’t hold your breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 16 minutes ago, dallen7908 said: https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/101/6/bamsD190014.xml ok, only tangentially related, but if you're in the mood to read about some real cold - and Laura Ingalls Wilder - check out the link. Thats funny, Ive been reading that book this winter. Yeah, I know it's for young readers but at a few hundred pages and stories of blizzards, it's an enjoyable read on those cold nights. Also won a couple awards iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 21 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: They do but they also still show signs of the pac jet undercutting in the central pacific and now signs of the AO going negative again. It wouldn’t take much adjustment to shift cold back into the east. Even the look they show wouldn’t be hopeless as trailing waves would have potential with cold close by. CFS has us not too brutally cold and not warm either thus has us right on the edge for many systems between now and PD...fwiw. So yeah, a little push back on the SER tendencies and it really wont take much. I think we are in a fine spot tbh with no signs of pac puke, no linkup between nao and said ser, and that Mongolian air readily available with near constant ridging in the epo region. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 18 minutes ago, Heisy said: Woof . Is that southern vort the same 'hurricane' tightly wound vort the gfs had off the s cali coast? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDScienceTeacher Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 7 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said: Is that southern vort the same 'hurricane' tightly wound vort the gfs had off the s cali coast? It made landfall!!?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Is that southern vort the same 'hurricane' tightly wound vort the gfs had off the s cali coast?I don’t think so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter_warlock Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 31 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said: Is that southern vort the same 'hurricane' tightly wound vort the gfs had off the s cali coast? Nope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter_warlock Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 39 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said: Thats funny, Ive been reading that book this winter. Yeah, I know it's for young readers but at a few hundred pages and stories of blizzards, it's an enjoyable read on those cold nights. Also won a couple awards iirc. The best book I read years ago was a book. By Paul Kocin. About winter storms!! Fantastic read!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter_warlock Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 37 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said: CFS has us not too brutally cold and not warm either thus has us right on the edge for many systems between now and PD...fwiw. So yeah, a little push back on the SER tendencies and it really wont take much. I think we are in a fine spot tbh with no signs of pac puke, no linkup between nao and said ser, and that Mongolian air readily available with near constant ridging in the epo region. I'd rather just be cold enough for snow instead of brutal cold... alot of time the brutal cold deep troughs in east tend to suppress storms.. in my opinion 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRanger Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Long term temperature normals are a smoothed average. If you remove the smoothing, that is, examine the actual daily averages for the past 50 years in the NE Corridor, you'll find the there are two separate annual min temps, one centered around Jan 20 and another Feb 5. In between those dates is a slight warm up, sometimes called the January thaw. This year might follow that pattern. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Man Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Icon looks good @114 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowenOutThere Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 ICON looks good for the Sunday deal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, SnowenOutThere said: ICON looks good for the Sunday deal 1002 slp vs 1008 at 18z 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 3-5+" 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution Man Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, mitchnick said: 3-5+" We take 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthArlington101 Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 pre-Kuchera-ing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitchnick Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter_warlock Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 1 minute ago, mitchnick said: That's a decent hit!!! Hoping GFS comes around to that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxlvr Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Bonus snow in Stafford! Where did this come from???. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter_warlock Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 Icon looked good for a moderate event ... but. It's the Icon.. im mildly optimistic lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 49 minutes ago, winter_warlock said: The best book I read years ago was a book. By Paul Kocin. About winter storms!! Fantastic read!! Have both of those as well. The bibles of NE US Winter Storms. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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