Interior NW & NE Burbs 2025

[hudsonvalley21]

2 hours ago, IrishRob17 said:

I measured 3.3" about 15 minutes ago. I picked up the bride at work, the roads are slicker than snot on a door knob, as my Old Man used to say. 

6.4” here. Definitely changed over to a higher snow ratio and gusts out of the n/e around 20-25. Down to 24 degrees the ground layer is definitely freezing up. With a forecast low of 14 tonight, it will be a tricky drive on the roads. 

[IrishRob17]

17 minutes ago, hudsonvalley21 said:

6.4” here. Definitely changed over to a higher snow ratio and gusts out of the n/e around 20-25. Down to 24 degrees the ground layer is definitely freezing up. With a forecast low of 14 tonight, it will be a tricky drive on the roads. 

Nice. Measured 5.5" about 45 minutes ago, light snow 26/24 here. 

[snywx]

Looks like 7.2" is gonna be my final here. Most of that fell in a 2-3 hr period 

[sn0w]

Don't have a board... measured 6" in the grass and 5" on the sidewalk

[Hitman]

Just shy of 6”.  Very nice.  Good night.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

8.1 inches as of 11:00 PM with moderate snow in what looks to be the last band. I can now officially call it an over performer, I was expecting 6-7

21.8 inches now for the season.

[hudsonvalley21]

8.0” as of 12:30 am. Light snow still falling. 22/20.

[Hitman]

Top o’ the morning to ya!

 

[IrishRob17]

Does anyone else measure liquid too? 6.9" here melted down to .49" We knew the ratios would increase as the arctic air moved in but that's an impressive average ratio of 14:1 for the storm IMO. 21.5" for the season. 

[Hitman]

1 hour ago, IrishRob17 said:

Does anyone else measure liquid too? 6.9" here melted down to .49" We knew the ratios would increase as the arctic air moved in but that's an impressive average ratio of 14:1 for the storm IMO. 21.5" for the season. 

I do not check ratios but I did just clean off the cars and shovel and the snow was light.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

1 hour ago, IrishRob17 said:

Does anyone else measure liquid too? 6.9" here melted down to .49" We knew the ratios would increase as the arctic air moved in but that's an impressive average ratio of 14:1 for the storm IMO. 21.5" for the season. 

No help here either. I'm strictly snow totals, and low temperatures each month.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

Speaking of snow totals my final here was 8.2 inches. Eastern Orange County seems to be the jackpot in this one. All of the 8-9 inch totals seem to extend from here to parts of Dutchess. The band that extended over those areas from about 1:30-4:00 was impressive.

[hudsonvalley21]

6 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

Speaking of snow totals my final here was 8.2 inches. Eastern Orange County seems to be the jackpot in this one. All of the 8-9 inch totals seem to extend from here to parts of Dutchess. The band that extended over those areas from about 1:30-4:00 was impressive.

I’m at 8.0” for the total. Agree on the band that set up shop over us gave us the jackpot. The ratios in the evening also helped out too. As Rob mentioned it was at 14:1.

[IrishRob17]

8 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

No help here either. I'm strictly snow totals, and low temperatures each month.

Ok, CPcantmeasuresnowormelthisownsnowtotals  I figured you'd be all over measuring anything and everything about snow.
 

I took a core sample from the pack to dig a little deeper and got .48" Sometimes snow can miss the Stratus, especially in bigger storms. 

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

18 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said:

Ok, CPcantmeasuresnowormelthisownsnowtotals  I figured you'd be all over measuring anything and everything about snow.
 

I took a core sample from the pack to dig a little deeper and got .48" Sometimes snow can miss the Stratus, especially in bigger storms. 

I actually have considered beginning this. So I need to buy a stratus? I'm long overdue. 

[IrishRob17]

9 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

I actually have considered beginning this. So I need to buy a stratus? I'm long overdue. 

You betcha, see below, it's around $30. Everyone knows I like to bust chops but I also like to encourage and help folks with at least somewhat accurate measuring and record keeping. I can't stand the eye ball measurements not followed up with a real measurement. If anyone has any questions on how to use the Stratus just let us know. 

[NorthShoreWx]

4 hours ago, IrishRob17 said:

Does anyone else measure liquid too? 6.9" here melted down to .49" We knew the ratios would increase as the arctic air moved in but that's an impressive average ratio of 14:1 for the storm IMO. 21.5" for the season. 

I do.  Slightly less than 10:1 here from what the gage was able to catch (3.6" / 0.37").  Have a core sample melting now.  They usually show more water.

[IrishRob17]

6 hours ago, NorthShoreWx said:

I do.  Slightly less than 10:1 here from what the gage was able to catch (3.6" / 0.37").  Have a core sample melting now.  They usually show more water.

What's the verdict? I'm sure you saw above that I had only a .01 difference this time. 

[NorthShoreWx]

2 hours ago, IrishRob17 said:

What's the verdict? I'm sure you saw above that I had only a .01 difference this time. 

Only came up with .30 on the melted core. Some of the initial snow melted plus I didn't do a 100% job of catching all of the snow out of the grass when I grabbed, so I think initial catch in the 4" gage was more accurate.  I made the mistake of clearing the snow boards without first taking the core from them.  Not sure what the latest accepted procedure is on clearing snow boards, but so far I'm still doing it once per day, generally at midnight for calendar days.

No rain here, it was 100% snow, but it would coat the ground during heavier showers of graupel and melt out in between during the day Sunday.

Conclusion: better than 10:1 during the accumulating snow.

 

[LibertyBell]

14 hours ago, IrishRob17 said:

You betcha, see below, it's around $30. Everyone knows I like to bust chops but I also like to encourage and help folks with at least somewhat accurate measuring and record keeping. I can't stand the eye ball measurements not followed up with a real measurement. If anyone has any questions on how to use the Stratus just let us know. 

I love these things!  I had a no brand version of one of these back when I was in high school, sitting in the ground in my back yard, but unfortunately someone stole it (or the garbage man threw it out thinking it was trash....)

Where can I buy one of these things, on Amazon?

I never mount them I just sit them on a box or something on the ground.

The digital weather stations I've had since then never gave me the same joy (although I love digital thermometers, they are much more accurate than the old analog ones.)

 

[Hitman]

Got down to 2f this morning

[IrishRob17]

13 hours ago, NorthShoreWx said:

Only came up with .30 on the melted core. Some of the initial snow melted plus I didn't do a 100% job of catching all of the snow out of the grass when I grabbed, so I think initial catch in the 4" gage was more accurate.  I made the mistake of clearing the snow boards without first taking the core from them.  Not sure what the latest accepted procedure is on clearing snow boards, but so far I'm still doing it once per day, generally at midnight for calendar days.

No rain here, it was 100% snow, but it would coat the ground during heavier showers of graupel and melt out in between during the day Sunday.

Conclusion: better than 10:1 during the accumulating snow.

 

Well we know that the measuring of snow is the least accurate of them all. I have no idea what the proper way is anymore, I guess we go back to the 6 hour increments. I'm a snow pack guy anyway so that's a bit more straight forward. For the 2/1-2/2/21 storm I did an experiment with two separate snow boards next to each other. Here are some of comments in my Weather Log for 2/2/21 " 15.5" at stake, 17.7" with 24 hour measuring, 19.5" total measuring every 6 hours"  That was a wet snow with temps in the upper 20s to mid 30's. 

[NorthShoreWx]

2 hours ago, IrishRob17 said:

Well we know that the measuring of snow is the least accurate of them all. I have no idea what the proper way is anymore, I guess we go back to the 6 hour increments. I'm a snow pack guy anyway so that's a bit more straight forward. For the 2/1-2/2/21 storm I did an experiment with two separate snow boards next to each other. Here are some of comments in my Weather Log for 2/2/21 " 15.5" at stake, 17.7" with 24 hour measuring, 19.5" total measuring every 6 hours"  That was a wet snow with temps in the upper 20s to mid 30's. 

Here's what I had that storm.  Snowfall (wiped daily at midnight) and rainfall (usually 9am-ish) are a little out of synch, so the comments help.

I'm going to wipe the boards every 15 minutes going forward and see if we can salvage a decent season.  Only at 7.5" so far and despite all the whining about how cold it's been, January has been a little above recent averages out here as of yesterday.  At least it's seemed like winter, so that's something.

I hope this formats well enough to decipher:

 

YYYY  MM  DD  Low   High    Precip    Snowfall    Snow Depth    Comment 1                                                       Comment 2

2021    1     31      18      26                          1.3              0        

2021    2      1      26      32                        13.6              6        
2021    2      2     29      34       2.37           0.9            14                  melted core = 2.37" (1/31 + 2/1 snowfall)    
2021    2      3     28     35         0.13           0.8            13                  SWE from 1.7" snow 2/2 & 2/3                        occasional periods light snow persisted. Storm total 16.6" snow, 2.50" melted

 

Edited to include 1/31

[IrishRob17]

34 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

Here's what I had that storm.  Snowfall (wiped daily at midnight) and rainfall (usually 9am-ish) are a little out of synch, so the comments help.

I'm going to wipe the boards every 15 minutes going forward and see if we can salvage a decent season.  Only at 7.5" so far and despite all the whining about how cold it's been, January has been a little above recent averages out here as of yesterday.  At least it's seemed like winter, so that's something.

I hope this formats well enough to decipher:

 

YYYY  MM  DD  Low   High    Precip    Snowfall    Snow Depth    Comment 1                                                       Comment 2

2021    1     31      18      26                          1.3              0        

2021    2      1      26      32                        13.6              6        
2021    2      2     29      34       2.37           0.9            14                  melted core = 2.37" (1/31 + 2/1 snowfall)    
2021    2      3     28     35         0.13           0.8            13                  SWE from 1.7" snow 2/2 & 2/3                        occasional periods light snow persisted. Storm total 16.6" snow, 2.50" melted

 

Edited to include 1/31

As for the 15 minute measurements lets la la lock it up! As for your records, I like the snow depth column as I just make a note in my comments section. On my spreadsheet I have columns for the time that the high and low temps occurred. 

[NorthShoreWx]

11 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said:

As for the 15 minute measurements lets la la lock it up! As for your records, I like the snow depth column as I just make a note in my comments section. On my spreadsheet I have columns for the time that the high and low temps occurred. 

I was all manual with only min/max up until early December.  Brought myself forward in time to the 1990s with an Ambient WS which actually seems quite accurate for a relatively inexpensive piece of gear.  I've been shocked at how close the little tipping gage is to my 4" COCORAHS, although it understandably showed zero for this weekend's snowfall:

https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KNYSMITH69

 

 

[LibertyBell]

38 minutes ago, NorthShoreWx said:

I was all manual with only min/max up until early December.  Brought myself forward in time to the 1990s with an Ambient WS which actually seems quite accurate for a relatively inexpensive piece of gear.  I've been shocked at how close the little tipping gage is to my 4" COCORAHS, although it understandably showed zero for this weekend's snowfall:

https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KNYSMITH69

 

 

the digital stuff is quite accurate regardless of price, I got a very cheap one from Radio Shack back in 1995 that shows min/max temp and current temp to a tenth of a degree (C) or two tenths of a degree (F) and it matches up well with JFK.  Then I got a relatively inexpensive digital weather station in 2005 from LaCrosse and I'm impressed with its accuracy in measuring barometric pressure, temperature, rainfall, humidity, windspeed, etc.  I could never get those old aneroid barometers to show me the right air pressure and liquid thermometers never showed the right temperature either.  I'm convinced those old instruments from back in the 80s were just gimmicks.

 

 

[IrishRob17]

1 hour ago, NorthShoreWx said:

I was all manual with only min/max up until early December.  Brought myself forward in time to the 1990s with an Ambient WS which actually seems quite accurate for a relatively inexpensive piece of gear.  I've been shocked at how close the little tipping gage is to my 4" COCORAHS, although it understandably showed zero for this weekend's snowfall:

https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KNYSMITH69

 

 

I've had Davis stations for the past 25+ years. I got the Weather Monitor II back in the late 90's. It was a good station but then after a couple tune-ups over the years I got the Vantage Vue. That's a nice little station but on warm low humidity days, in spring especially, I found it ran warm when in the sun. I now have the Vantage Pro 2 with a daytime fan-aspirated radiation shield, which took care of those fluky warm temps in those conditions mentioned above. I found the tippers to be good on all the stations I've had but I did notice in a heavy downpour that the tipper would appear to run a bit high when compared to the Stratus. I always figured that it was the Davis that was off but then last year I decided to pull the funnel and inner tube out of the Stratus before heavy rains and found that when measured afterwards the two were off by maybe two hundredths, if that. I was surprised by this and surmised that the funnel for the inner tube must be causing some rain to splash out and thus not get measured. Something to keep in mind if you leave the funnel and inner tube in during the warm season and notice some differences.  

https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KNYMONTG31

    

[LibertyBell]

49 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said:

I've had Davis stations for the past 25+ years. I got the Weather Monitor II back in the late 90's. It was a good station but then after a couple tune-ups over the years I got the Vantage Vue. That's a nice little station but on warm low humidity days, in spring especially, I found it ran warm when in the sun. I now have the Vantage Pro 2 with a daytime fan-aspirated radiation shield, which took care of those fluky warm temps in those conditions mentioned above. I found the tippers to be good on all the stations I've had but I did notice in a heavy downpour that the tipper would appear to run a bit high when compared to the Stratus. I always figured that it was the Davis that was off but then last year I decided to pull the funnel and inner tube out of the Stratus before heavy rains and found that when measured afterwards the two were off by maybe two hundredths, if that. I was surprised by this and surmised that the funnel for the inner tube must be causing some rain to splash out and thus not get measured. Something to keep in mind if you leave the funnel and inner tube in during the warm season and notice some differences.  

https://www.wunderground.com/dashboard/pws/KNYMONTG31

    

But is all this necessary if you don't keep it in the sun? I always keep my sensors on the north side of the house  under the shade of a tree.  I haven't felt the need for fan aspiration or any of that stuff or even a radiation shield.

[IrishRob17]

10 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

But is all this necessary if you don't keep it in the sun? I always keep my sensors on the north side of the house  under the shade of a tree.  I haven't felt the need for fan aspiration or any of that stuff or even a radiation shield.

These stations typically are a contained unit with temp sensors and rain gauge all together. You don't want your rain gauge under a tree not to mention the unit runs on solar power for the most part.

 

[LibertyBell]

9 minutes ago, IrishRob17 said:

These stations typically are a contained unit with temp sensors and rain gauge all together. You don't want your rain gauge under a tree not to mention the unit runs on solar power for the most part.

 

Smart.... mine is corded all over my yard and I'm always worried about squirrels gnawing at the cords.