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Mid to long range discussion- 2025


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 Today’s 0Z GEFS based forecast has the AO dropping to -2 Feb 14-16 vs down to only -1 on Feb 14-15 on yesterday’s run. That is not directly related to any potential major SSW as those require a lag period from the SSW to get down into troposphere and it would be occurring at about the same time. Any direct downward effects from it wouldn’t be til late Feb into March.

 I’m anticipating big changes on some aspects/portions of today’s Euro Weeklies. We’ll see if that’s actually the case.

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3 minutes ago, NorthHillsWx said:

Wait, I thought we were throwing pre emergent this week?

Ironically I did, just in case lol. I felt like winter was probably coming back but I also remembered last year when I thought that and proceeded to have a crabgrass invasion by late March. 
 

Lowe’s has 0-0-7 50lb bags for $37 in case anyone wants to snag some.

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9 minutes ago, PackGrad05 said:

Euro with the classic I-85 signature.  After the northwest trend, only the mountains will get anything.

I’ll say this. Living in the foothills for most of my life, when we do get a big storm, the signal usually starts around D9/10 and only progresses louder. That doesn’t mean to say it happens often, but when it does, it’s rarely something that starts coming together 3/4 days out.

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18 minutes ago, PackGrad05 said:

Euro with the classic I-85 signature.  After the northwest trend, only the mountains will get anything.

NW trend is pretty common in most cases not involving a massive Arctic outbreak when looking that far out due to cold bias of models. So, most know to expect that. Even the mountains may not be safe. That’s why seeing something that far out with a big winter storm is mainly for entertainment and should be taken with a huge grain. If it doesn’t trend NW from here, it would be a bit surprising.

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1 minute ago, GaWx said:

NW trend is pretty common in most cases not involving a massive Arctic outbreak when looking that far out due to cold bias of models. So, most know to expect that. Even the mountains may not be safe. That’s why seeing something that far out with a big winter storm is mainly for entertainment and should be taken with a huge grain. If it doesn’t trend NW from here, it would be a bit surprising.

I honestly think this one might not due to the confluence in the NE and the CAD high showing up. Of course that could all weaken but I'm more hopeful than usual. 

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20 minutes ago, GaWx said:

NW trend is pretty common in most cases not involving a massive Arctic outbreak when looking that far out due to cold bias of models. So, most know to expect that. Even the mountains may not be safe. That’s why seeing something that far out with a big winter storm is mainly for entertainment and should be taken with a huge grain. If it doesn’t trend NW from here, it would be a bit surprising.

I was confident that would the case for the last storm in my location (far northern mountains) and Pensacola ended up with 14 inches. 

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41 minutes ago, GaWx said:

NW trend is pretty common in most cases not involving a massive Arctic outbreak when looking that far out due to cold bias of models. So, most know to expect that. Even the mountains may not be safe. That’s why seeing something that far out with a big winter storm is mainly for entertainment and should be taken with a huge grain. If it doesn’t trend NW from here, it would be a bit surprising.

I agree with you. However, it has been trending south .... it may not be done yet. It will all come down to where it ends up before the NW trend sets in.

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42 minutes ago, GaWx said:

NW trend is pretty common in most cases not involving a massive Arctic outbreak when looking that far out due to cold bias of models. So, most know to expect that. Even the mountains may not be safe. That’s why seeing something that far out with a big winter storm is mainly for entertainment and should be taken with a huge grain. If it doesn’t trend NW from here, it would be a bit surprising.

 Ensembles flipped cold in LR. As was discussed last Week, the MJO not stalling in warm phases . Low Amp into COD allows other Drivers to take control of the Bus. The Base - EPO +TNH appears to be headed back. Blocking over the Top is rather odd given the +QBO and has really created Havoc with Forecasters relying on the "should be"  resultant Pattern. As alluded to earlier, the PDO is apparently alot of the Reason as it is no longer Negative. The Nina is weak and we have a formidable STJ. It seems some just kept seeing the PDO as it was and the Nina as being Canonical. 

   Lastly, as we all know that's been in the business for awhile, sometimes Patterns don't follow the rules.

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