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Mid to long range discussion- 2025


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17 hours ago, wncsnow said:

Yay a killing freeze...

There’s been and continues to be no indication of a killing freeze (outside of the mountains, of course).

 Also, the last few GFS runs haven’t been as chilly. But I’m still looking forward to a reprieve from this week’s heat.

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The effect of SSWs down here (which in the current case will end up as a final warming similar to that of 2016 in that the reversal looks to remain through the warm season) often start with warmth followed by BN temps. The upcoming week will be an absolute torch before the cooldown.

0Z GEFS NAO forecast:

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20 hours ago, GaWx said:

There’s been and continues to be no indication of a killing freeze (outside of the mountains, of course).

 Also, the last few GFS runs haven’t been as chilly. But I’m still looking forward to a reprieve from this week’s heat.

I disagree. The foothills and maybe even nw piedmont of NC have a shot of freezing temperatures the next couple weeks. There will be at least 2 cool downs during this period

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26 minutes ago, wncsnow said:

I disagree. The foothills and maybe even nw piedmont of NC have a shot of freezing temperatures the next couple weeks. There will be at least 2 cool downs during this period

Further update: There continues to be no indication of a “killing freeze” outside of the mountains. “Killing freeze” is the wording you had first used and is what I was responding to. You had said: “Yay a killing freeze...”

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49 minutes ago, GaWx said:

Further update: There continues to be no indication of a “killing freeze” outside of the mountains. “Killing freeze” is the wording you had first used and is what I was responding to. You had said: “Yay a killing freeze...”

I think its still possible for areas in the foothills and of course the mountains. We'll see. The Op euro was colder last night

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17 minutes ago, Met1985 said:

I wouldn't be surprised to see this multiple cold front pattern be colder than advertised. 

Yep.  Crazy looking at extended models and seeing how much snow is forecast across the US over the next 2 weeks.  Indication of how cold will be in the lower 48.  The pool will be frigid when it is opened in May.  

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2 hours ago, GaWx said:

Per FFC for Atlanta for April 4th:

FRIDAY  
MOSTLY SUNNY. HIGHS AROUND 90.

 If this verifies at KATL, it would be the earliest in the season 90 on record by a whopping 19 days!

Yeah, this just ain't right!!  Below normal cold is ok, but record heat...no, just no, lol. And if only one verifies, you know which one that will be....

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2 hours ago, GaWx said:

6Z gfs is coldest run in several days for April 9th and colder than other current models making it a cold outlier:

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If we don't manage to reach freezing this spring it would tie the earliest lasts freeze on record. Dropping to freezing in this next cold snap would be right around average, so I would say it shouldn't take "Barney" cold to get there. Models sometimes under do cold from radiative cooling, especially for the Sandhills, which typically would come the morning after the coldest day on models.

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1 hour ago, wncsnow said:

National Weather Service has the foothills getting into the upper 20s as I expected. 

Honestly I'm more or so watching the second more substantial cold front that really dives down on the 11th that's been shown on the Euro for several days. That could give us in the mountains some substantial flow snow so late in the season.

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On 4/1/2025 at 12:25 PM, Upstate Tiger said:

Yep.  Crazy looking at extended models and seeing how much snow is forecast across the US over the next 2 weeks.  Indication of how cold will be in the lower 48.  The pool will be frigid when it is opened in May.  

My pool has been open since 2 weeks ago. Loving this warm start of spring, but yes, the next couple of weeks after this Saturday will kill the swim season. Looks warm again 3rd and 4th week of April though.

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On 4/2/2025 at 1:31 AM, dsaur said:

Yeah, this just ain't right!!  Below normal cold is ok, but record heat...no, just no, lol. And if only one verifies, you know which one that will be....

 Good news, Tony. Since early yesterday FFC pulled back on the prior forecasted high of near 90 at ATL for tomorrow to the upper 80s, similar to RDU. Both cities’ highs are now forecasted to be in the upper 80s for tomorrow and Saturday.

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6 hours ago, suzook said:

GFS backing off the cold a little as of this morning. Is it lining up with the Euro now? Or is that getting slightly warmer? Yes, we will be below normal, but seems like not as severe.

Yes, GFS backed off a good bit again for the lows on 4/9. It like usual has been jumping around. Now the Euro is colder than the GFS for then (they’ve been trading places). And now the coldest for the GFS is later (4/11) with its coldest run for then yet (major outlier and thus I expect the next few runs to not be as cold for 4/11.

 

4/3 12Z Euro for 4/9’s lows:

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4/3 12Z GFS for 4/9’s lows:IMG_3433.thumb.png.23842a1b094e5601c96abd5c239a0e99.png

 

4/3 12Z GFS for 4/11’s lows:

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