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9 minutes ago, Upstate Tiger said:

Since we have missed out on a big dog, would love to see one good area wide storm during this time frame, then I will be ready for spring.  My fear is when it warms up, we will get dry.  

We have now entered the time of year when you have to both be in a great pattern and get lucky. I am not really seeing a ton of support for cold air linking up with moisture on ensembles, so I would say, bring on the warmth ^_^

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2 hours ago, UnionCountyNCWX said:

Shout out to *checks notes*

 

Houston, TX

New Orleans, LA

Mobile, AL, and 95% of the US that has had snow this season for all having more snow than Charlotte, NC! 

Over prior 105 years, Houston had more snow than Charlotte 4 times: 1931-2, 1948-9, 1989-90, and 2020-1. New Orleans over the last 76 years beat Charlotte in 2 years: 1963-4 and 1989-90. Mobile over the last 145 years beat Charlotte in 1963-4 and 1992-3. So, no winter on record prior to 2024-5 had less snow in Charlotte than all 3 of those cities. Thus 2024-5 has a chance to be the first winter on record like that. But it’s not over.

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I’m ok if there’s no more winter weather.  We had 3 minor events IMBY and we were in the mountains for an event.  Plus it’s been cold since December.  Need warm weather for the fairways to green up.  
 

However, keep in mind that major winter storms in the SE don’t usually occur in the middle of cold outbreaks.  
 

PD 1 it was 70 degrees one day before the storm. 
PD 2 it was 75 degrees on the Saturday before the big storm on Sunday

Superstorm 93 it was in the 70s all week before.  
 

March 1, 1980 it was in the 60s most of the week. 
etc.  

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23 minutes ago, Upstate Tiger said:

I’m ok if there’s no more winter weather.  We had 3 minor events IMBY and we were in the mountains for an event.  Plus it’s been cold since December.  Need warm weather for the fairways to green up.  
 

However, keep in mind that major winter storms in the SE don’t usually occur in the middle of cold outbreaks.  
 

PD 1 it was 70 degrees one day before the storm. 
PD 2 it was 75 degrees on the Saturday before the big storm on Sunday

Superstorm 93 it was in the 70s all week before.  
 

March 1, 1980 it was in the 60s most of the week. 
etc.  

I mean if you list off some of the most dynamic storms in North American history, sure

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8 minutes ago, StantonParkHoya said:

I mean if you list off some of the most dynamic storms in North American history, sure

Yes.  That’s the point.  Most of the big dogs I recall happened after a warm or mild spell, especially Feb or March.  The Holy Grail March in the early 60s would certainly be an exception.     

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Dynamic is what a big dog is. The January storm would’ve been 1/2” max in central NC and nothing on roads if that same storm happened yesterday. Dynamic storms could stick if it was 75 the day before. 6 hours of dendrites and 0.5 mile vis and it don’t matter the temp or sun angle: that’s what we lookin in March. It’s our white whale but after this storm why not us? 

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1 hour ago, StantonParkHoya said:

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 But during a storm this often has limited effects due to thick cloud cover keeping direct solar radiation limited. I’ve experienced several significant Atlanta snows in Mar and they stuck to everything easily, especially 1980 and 1993. The temperature during the event is crucial whatever time of year. How long it sticks around afterward is another story of course. Temperatures in March after a storm are obviously likely going to warm up to higher levels. But that’s beside the main point of sticking during a storm.

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On 2/19/2025 at 4:22 PM, GaWx said:

New Euro Weeklies fwiw have a colder signal for the week Mar 3-9:

Yesterday it had a decent mild signal:

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Today the signal has switched to a neutral to weak cold signal:

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H5 changes for same week:

Yesterday:

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Today:

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The Euro Weeklies reversed the cooling of yesterday for Mar 3-9 back to how they were on Tue’s run. Also, the subsequent weeks are all warmer than Mar 3-9 and overall mild for the rest of Mar into Apr.

 Yesterday’s run for Mar 3-9:

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Today’s run for Mar 3-9:

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1 hour ago, GaWx said:

 But during a storm this often has limited effects due to thick cloud cover keeping direct solar radiation limited. I’ve experienced several significant Atlanta snows in Mar and they stuck to everything easily, especially 1980 and 1993. The temperature during the event is crucial whatever time of year. How long it sticks around afterward is another story of course. Temperatures in March after a storm are obviously likely going to warm up to higher levels. But that’s beside the main point of sticking during a storm.

It was 26-28 today and ripping and the roads still melted while we accumulated on non dark surfaces. It’s gotta be REALLY ripping to stick to roads midday now. I got 0.70” today and it accumulated on a snow board but my street went from covered to water during the peak of it and it was snowing hard and 4-6 degrees below freezing with snow on the ground from yesterday. Also, my wooden snowboard had melt water on it in a semi shaded area with a temp of 28 when I took my last measurement and icicles underneath. Yesterday at 25 degrees my street was melted until 4 pm when the sun dipped and it accumulated at will. Areas with green grass have half the accumulation as places with dormant Bermuda. This storm was the prime example of sun angle always wins unless rates are extreme in daylight. That being said, everyone from Raleigh north has 3-5” of snow and more north and east so yes, you can get a major storm now but sun angle changes it and lighter rates in daylight absolutely do not work 

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2 minutes ago, jtgus said:

Cool graph! Please interpret...:D

Phase 1 can mean a better snow chance along with cold and that looks to be in the first week of March. The models have been signaling a remote possibility but I do mean remote for now.

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 A change is on today’s Euro Weeklies as there are many members with a major SSW within Mar 9-14 (see below). This is the most bullish run this winter. If this occurs, this may mean a chilly April in much of the E US. This would jibe well with Joe D’Aleo’s research on its connection with +QBO/high solar:

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12Z Euro 360 10 mb temp anomalies:

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