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The 6z AI just made a major move towards the Euro and GFS.  From the 00z run to the 6z run for Saturday night in the triad, we went from precip with temps in the low 40's to precip with lows around freezing.  I guess we'll see where things go.

 

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25 minutes ago, tarheelwx said:

The 6z AI just made a major move towards the Euro and GFS.  From the 00z run to the 6z run for Saturday night in the triad, we went from precip with temps in the low 40's to precip with lows around freezing.  I guess we'll see where things go.

 

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Which Saturday are we talking about?

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Without blocking any storm especially a miller B is going to be timing critical for wintry weather. The HP is going to be transient. For this to work we need the energy out west to eject cleanly to align with the high. We’ve struggled to get our SW to work out this year so that’s a huge concern. Given the wedge look and timing on the backside of the cold push this pattern favors ice but getting the system in quicker and timed with that high is the only way to get any snow from this. I fear we’re tracking an ice storm and don’t see a way around that on the winter weather side of things 

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11 minutes ago, WinstonSalemArlington said:

In the modern era, ice storms are always overdone on models 

We’ve had a few if any ice storms in the modern era that involve strong HP to the NE. Most are in-situ CAD events, which do indeed bust 9/10 times. 

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9 minutes ago, BooneWX said:

We’ve had a few if any ice storms in the modern era that involve strong HP to the NE. Most are in-situ CAD events, which do indeed bust 9/10 times. 

As a kid, I always remember the 96 ICE Storm (Feb 2nd-3rd) that struck the Catawba Valley area. Without power for almost ten days and lows near zero several mornings after the storm. I still remember listening to the trees pop all night long and then still popping days after. Definitely one of the scariest but also extreme/exciting weather events that peaked my interest in keeping up with the weather. That storm was loaded with moisture, and was a recipe for disaster. 

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9 minutes ago, WXNewton said:

As a kid, I always remember the 96 ICE Storm (Feb 2nd-3rd) that struck the Catawba Valley area. Without power for almost ten days and lows near zero several mornings after the storm. I still remember listening to the trees pop all night long and then still popping days after. Definitely one of the scariest but also extreme/exciting weather events that peaked my interest in keeping up with the weather. That storm was loaded with moisture, and was a recipe for disaster. 

96 was great here.  I do not recall much ice down here. 

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51 minutes ago, NorthHillsWx said:

Knowing no other context one would be tempted to say “incoming” if they saw this posted 

Yeah, if this were to occur, I highly doubt the low would just slam into an entrenched (even if retreating) 1040 HP. Seems like it would be more suppressed/likely to transfer to the coast Miller A style.

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3 minutes ago, BooneWX said:

Models showing our persistent west coast ridge returning after the first week of Feb. could be a reaction to seeing the MJO head into the null phase but either way - what a winter. It’s been the reverse for years. 

It’s really defied the theory the Arctic needs time to “reload” after a big cold snap. It’s just been cold shot after cold shot since Christmas. Impressive stuff given what was unanimously forecast to be a torch. Sadly it’s been dry but it is the first time since 2017/18 we in Raleigh have had two events in one winter season. Still looking for that big snow but Tuesday nights event was awesome 

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6 hours ago, WXNewton said:

As a kid, I always remember the 96 ICE Storm (Feb 2nd-3rd) that struck the Catawba Valley area. Without power for almost ten days and lows near zero several mornings after the storm. I still remember listening to the trees pop all night long and then still popping days after. Definitely one of the scariest but also extreme/exciting weather events that peaked my interest in keeping up with the weather. That storm was loaded with moisture, and was a recipe for disaster. 

The December 2022 storm was like that for Central NC. No power for 8 days outside Chapel Hill, where we lived on a well (ie, no water). I have a whole house generator now because of that experience. 

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This is going under the radar but 74% of NC is in a moderate drought now and given the forecast that is likely to worsen going forward. We are definitely going to need some big systems, rain or snow, at some point before the summer or we are going to be in a bad situation given the dry antecedent conditions 

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