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Mid to long range discussion- 2025


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  On 1/13/2025 at 4:37 PM, Cheeznado said:

12Z GFS does have southern snow- 16" in Myrtle Beach, 1.5" here. These details will change of course, the main thing is we need to see if the ensembles begin to have more members support another snow event. 

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CMC/ICON seem to argue the event at 180 is more TN Valley/CNTRL or NRN MA.  Its possible if the cold push is stronger that might be a GA/SC event too but I'd lean now more to MS/AL/TN and NE front there.  Might even be a tough ask for NC

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  On 1/13/2025 at 5:21 PM, SnowGoose69 said:

CMC/ICON seem to argue the event at 180 is more TN Valley/CNTRL or NRN MA.  Its possible if the cold push is stronger that might be a GA/SC event too but I'd lean now more to MS/AL/TN and NE front there.  Might even be a tough ask for NC

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How about Asheville? Would AVL be too warm? 

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Can't see past this frame, but kinda surprised there's not some kind of weak surface reflection in the gulf at 168 given the jet amplification. The +PNA is pretty extreme, so it wouldn't take much to have a shortwave dig farther southwest than current advertised. It will be something to keep an eye on.

 

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/ec-fast/2025011312/ec-fast_z500_mslp_namer_8.png

 

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I'm convinced alot of posters here enjoy purposely making themselves suffer. 

 

I suggest reading Coldrain's "what have we learned" Essay after that epic bust a few years ago. Remember it, learn it, live it. 

You'll be happier.

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  On 1/13/2025 at 7:52 PM, lilj4425 said:

So now what do we talk about? 

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Another cold week coming next week (1/20-6) per the last two Euro Weeklies runs. Then the cold is done per many runs in a row. Will it be drier than normal for most? Latest ensemble means have gotten drier.

Current 2m:

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H5:

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Guys I'm afraid with such a cold push that all the moisture will be shoved to the Carribean and we will be left with super cold and dry.  We've seen this before, it warms up and rains.  We finally get cold but it's so cold it keeps the moisture well to our south.  We can't win for loosing.  Think I rather have 70 and sunny if we can't get winter precipitation.  Threading the needle isn't the word for what we always face.  :snowing::axe:

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  On 1/13/2025 at 9:06 PM, Tacoma said:

Guys I'm afraid with such a cold push that all the moisture will be shoved to the Carribean and we will be left with super cold and dry.  We've seen this before, it warms up and rains.  We finally get cold but it's so cold it keeps the moisture well to our south.  We can't win for loosing.  Think I rather have 70 and sunny if we can't get winter precipitation.  Threading the needle isn't the word for what we always face.  :snowing::axe:

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It is far from certain whether or not there actually will be super cold in the SE. Just go back to last week, when super cold was showing on a number of runs at about this point in advance, especially the Euro. The SE ended up with much below normal cold along with a widespread winter storm but no super cold.

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We went through the dry suppressed look on the ensembles last time too. Give it time and see if the cold push actually verifies to the extent being shown. More often than not it moderates with time which also tends to pull the moisture back north. We should only be signal hunting at this range, and cold air looks to be around with moisture in the Gulf. Time to play the waiting game again.

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  On 1/13/2025 at 9:27 PM, SnowDawg said:
We went through the dry suppressed look on the ensembles last time too. Give it time and see if the cold push actually verifies to the extent being shown. More often than not it moderates with time which also tends to pull the moisture back north. We should only be signal hunting at this range, and cold air looks to be around with moisture in the Gulf. Time to play the waiting game again.

Bingo. Suppressed and stupid cold looks are good honestly at range because the models overdo the degree of cold push approx. 95% of the time.

What you don’t want is riding right on the edge 10 days out for a bomb. That’s gonna trend NW and rain on you 9/10 times. If Randolph and Mortimer Duke are freaking out about an inch of freezing rain destroying the FCOJ market in Florida a week out, that right there is our sweet spot.


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