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Currently have 2 -39's on the board in NE MN. One in Tower, and the other at Ash Lake. Low max records could fall today with highs in the mid-upper -10's inland. Low of -19 here in town with overcast along the shoreline again from the Lake steam. 

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1 at the apartment, 0 at the office, -1 at ORD, feels like a bit of an underperformer but i really haven't been paying attention temp modeling

Tonight was always looking like the coldest of the period, for both wind chills and actual temps.

So, we’ll see how it goes.
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5 hours ago, Brian D said:

Significant low max's yesterday.

I-Falls -12 (4th), Hibbing -10 (T2nd), Duluth -8 (T4th), Brainerd -7 (3rd), Park Rapids -10 (T4th), Ashland, WI -3 (2nd), Eau Claire, WI -4 (T3rd).

Just to show what this airmass was capable of…it looks like Ely MN will post a -17/-36 today, for a daily average of -26.5. This may be a Top 10 all-time coldest day on record there.

The max of -17 is even more impressive. While the -36 min would be great to experience, I imagine Ely hits -40 every 3-5 years (?) on average.

I was in Grand Marais MN over the 4th of July this year. A beautiful area, and a nice cool breeze during the summer. 

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23 hours ago, OHweather said:

 

 

So, as an NWS met who routinely sends out climate reports for first order sites, including snowfall, this exchange was fascinating to me.

We have 6 first order climate sites in our CWA that all measure snow. 3 are FAA contract observers, with the observers measuring the snow for site. The other 3 are snow paid observers. The snow paid observers are trained to report trace depth and do so. The 3 sites with FAA observers do not officially put the Trace in their obs, however, they do note it in their logs. We call them every 6 hours to verbally get the new snow and depth and they tell us the traces. So needless to say, while I knew the T depth did not show up in the METAR and doesn't get pulled into our system, I had no idea that it's technically now a valid ob based on FAA standards that sometimes isn't reported. 

DTX has had snow paids for years as when the NWS moved from DTW to White Lake in 1995 the FAA was not doing a great job. It makes sense to have a snowpaid observer in a nearby proper measuring area rather than airports that are making it increasingly difficult to measure on site. 

Ever since chicagostorm mentioned the T depth thing, I've been browsing a bunch of f6s. It seems almost every NWS except LOT includes T depths in their f6 (whether it's in the FAA logs or not). I get that the FAA has their thing, but no reason official weather data shouldn't be precise as it has been for well over a century.

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