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Winter Banter 24-25


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20 hours ago, bluewave said:

Hopefully, we can get back to some semblance of a benchmark storm track in the coming years. It’s hard to believe that January 2022 was our last big snowstorm month. I don’t mind a warm winter as long as we get some decent events. This was the scene from my old hometown back in January 2022. Haven’t been back there in a few years but hear from some friends that it’s doing pretty well. 
 

 

Long Beach?

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1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

Long Beach?

Yeah, Long Beach is really a one of a kind place on Long Island. It’s the only city located on a barrier island. Great boardwalk and beach with a good restaurant scene. It really took them a while to bounce back after Sandy.
 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, Long Beach is really a one of a kind place on Long Island. It’s the only city located on a barrier island. Great boardwalk and beach with a good restaurant scene. It really took them a while to bounce back after Sandy.
 

 

 

Great night life. Police are annoying and it’s hard to get on the beach though. They hate outsiders 

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1 minute ago, psv88 said:

Great night life. Police are annoying and it’s hard to get on the beach though. They hate outsiders 

Yeah, we used to go to the old Chauncey’s Bar on Georgia Beach back in the 80s and 90s. The West End was a pretty wild place on Saturday nights in those days. It was like a college party town times 10.;)

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12 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Jersey Shore times 10 too lol

Back in the 1970s Long Beach was much more like Coney Island. With arcades and an amusement park for blocks along the boardwalk. Then they started to change the character of the city during the 1980s. Now there are condos selling for 4.5 million a few blocks from where all the old boardwalk attractions used to be. Several scenes in the Joan Jett video below were filmed at Chauncey’s and you can see the old amusement park.
 

 

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34 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Back in the 1970s Long Beach was much more like Coney Island. With arcades and an amusement park for blocks along the boardwalk. Then they started to change the character of the city during the 1980s. Now there are condos selling for 4.5 million a few blocks from where all the old boardwalk attractions used to be. Several scenes in the Joan Jett video below were filmed at Chauncey’s and you can see the old amusement park.
 

 

I grew up near Coney Island (Sheepshead Bay) and I definitely noticed the similarities in the late 70s and early 80s.

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20 hours ago, Nibor said:

Levi

Levi also said this:

“My personal mission to bring hurricane science, data, and forecasts to the public would not be possible without the weather observations, doppler radar stations, computer models, hurricane hunter aircraft, and weather satellites provided by NOAA and the NWS. Your favorite weather apps, TV meteorologists, and private weather companies would also be unable to function without this data or the civil servants who live and breathe it to synthesize it into public safety information.

All of these benefits cost each taxpayer the equivalent of a few cups of coffee per year, and surveys show most would be willing to pay much more. The American weather enterprise saves many, many times more money than it costs to run, making it one of the biggest bangs for your buck in the government. 

The impact of quality weather forecasts and infrastructure on society is multiplied many-fold by preventing economic disruptions, keeping public transportation efficient, and providing lead time to prepare for and mitigate disasters. Most importantly, it saves priceless lives.

Careful, long-term plans to streamline or reorient the weather enterprise in an evolving world are not bad, but *this plan* is insane. A feverish rush to take a cleaver to this workforce is self-destructive and dangerous to Americans who rely on the services they provide.”

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Massive cuts to the life-saving, very efficiently run NWS/NOAA would be very stupid and dangerous imho. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail! 

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21 minutes ago, GaWx said:

Levi also said this:

“My personal mission to bring hurricane science, data, and forecasts to the public would not be possible without the weather observations, doppler radar stations, computer models, hurricane hunter aircraft, and weather satellites provided by NOAA and the NWS. Your favorite weather apps, TV meteorologists, and private weather companies would also be unable to function without this data or the civil servants who live and breathe it to synthesize it into public safety information.

All of these benefits cost each taxpayer the equivalent of a few cups of coffee per year, and surveys show most would be willing to pay much more. The American weather enterprise saves many, many times more money than it costs to run, making it one of the biggest bangs for your buck in the government. 

The impact of quality weather forecasts and infrastructure on society is multiplied many-fold by preventing economic disruptions, keeping public transportation efficient, and providing lead time to prepare for and mitigate disasters. Most importantly, it saves priceless lives.

Careful, long-term plans to streamline or reorient the weather enterprise in an evolving world are not bad, but *this plan* is insane. A feverish rush to take a cleaver to this workforce is self-destructive and dangerous to Americans who rely on the services they provide.”

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Massive cuts to the life-saving, very efficiently run NWS/NOAA would be very stupid and dangerous imho. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail! 

What is being cut at the NWS?  I haven't seen or read anything specific that is being cut at NWS to date, just fear tweets so far.

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12 minutes ago, uofmiami said:

What is being cut at the NWS?  I haven't seen or read anything specific that is being cut at NWS to date, just fear tweets so far.

 Nothing specific yet. The purpose of Levi’s tweet is to provide pushback and encourage others to push back. The more pushback/protests, the lower the chance for massive cuts. The worst thing would be silence. Silence is often deemed to be equivalent to being ok with an action.

 Edit: Of course as wx enthusiasts, most of us are probably going to be biased against cuts.

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47 minutes ago, BxEngine said:

 

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1. Did this actually occur today or is this from another day?

2. What is the meaning of “probationary” federal employees?

3. What does “at NOAA’s EMC responsible for keeping all US weather model systems running” mean specifically? Does this mean instead of humans operating the computers that the models would just run automatically? I kind of thought they pretty much already did. If so, is it possible that this change would be a legit way to increase efficiency without decreasing what NOAA provides to the public? Even if so, the one hour notice seems awfully abrupt!

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3 minutes ago, GaWx said:

1. Did this actually occur today or is this from another day?

2. What is the meaning of “probationary” federal employees?

3. What does “at NOAA’s EMC responsible for keeping all US weather model systems running” mean specifically? Does this mean instead of humans operating the computers that the models would just run automatically? If so, is it possible that that would be a legit way to increase efficiency without decreasing what NOAA provides to the public?

I think anyone with 365 days or less since their hire date is probationary.  So this will have a totally unbalanced impact because some WFOs probably have 0 people with that status and some probably have 2 or even 3 in rare cases so that impacts them very differently.  I actually personally know 4 people who got terminated during their probationary period in the NWS since 1992.  One for just being the hostile person they were and still are, a second for breaking vital equipment, one for entering the office during off hours intoxicated (they mistakenly told the taxi that was their house), the other for being just awful at the job and having some personal issues with mental health (they should never have been let go and gotten the help they likely needed).

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5 minutes ago, SnowGoose69 said:

I think anyone with 365 days or less since their hire date is probationary.  So this will have a totally unbalanced impact because some WFOs probably have 0 people with that status and some probably have 2 or even 3 in rare cases so that impacts them very differently

 What does “at NOAA’s EMC responsible for keeping all US weather model systems running” mean specifically? Does this mean instead of humans operating the computers that the models would just run automatically? I kind of thought they pretty much already did. If so, is it possible that this change would be a legit way to increase efficiency without decreasing what NOAA provides to the public? I’m trying to keep an open mind to some cuts as long as they wouldn’t undermine the services provided. Even if so, the one hour notice seems awfully abrupt!

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