LibertyBell Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Onto something mysterious, giant chunks of ice falling from a clear blue sky in Florida https://nypost.com/2025/02/05/us-news/massive-chunk-of-ice-falls-from-the-sky-pierces-roof-of-florida-home-and-no-ones-sure-where-it-came-from/ There's probably a simple explanation for this like it falling from a plane, but accounts of huge chunks of ice falling from a clear sky predate the existence of air planes. They're called megaicycryometeors. https://www.wwnytv.com/2025/02/05/large-chunk-ice-falls-sky-crashes-into-roof-this-is-first/ The homeowners say they’re thankful they weren’t home at the time. “When something occurs, what the potential life threat could be is what we’re kind of looking at,” Berryhill added. “And in this situation, a large object falling from the sky is going to gain speed fast. It’s going to cause tremendous bodily harm or possibly even death.” The FAA has not yet determined the source of the falling ice. https://www.wptv.com/news/state/large-chunk-of-ice-falls-from-sky-smashes-through-roof-of-home-in-palm-coast#:~:text=In past incidents%2C falling ice,formation of "blue ice." The ice chunks that are connected to aircraft are *blue ice* (some chemicals must be mixed in to make it blue), but the ones not linked to aircraft have no color. Authorities are still investigating the source of the ice. In past incidents, falling ice chunks have been linked to aircraft. Ice can accumulate on planes at high altitudes and break away as they descend into warmer air. Additionally, while aircraft are not permitted to eject waste mid-flight, leaks can occur, leading to the formation of "blue ice." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 https://skybrary.aero/articles/megacryometeor Description A megacryometeor is a very large chunk of ice which, despite sharing many textural, hydro-chemical, and isotopic features found in large hailstones, is formed under unusual atmospheric conditions which clearly differ from those of the cumulonimbus cloud scenario (i.e clear sky conditions). They are sometimes called huge hailstones, but unlike hailstones do not need to form under thunderstorm conditions. Mass and size More than 50 megacryometeors have been recorded since 2000. They vary in mass between 0.5 Kg to several tens of kilograms. One in Brazil weighed in at more than 50 Kg. Formation The process that creates megacryometeors is not completely understood yet, mainly with respect to the atmospheric dynamics necessary to produce them. They may have a similar mechanism of formation that which leads to the formation of hailstones. Scientific studies show that their composition matches normal tropospheric rainwater for the areas in which they fall. In addition, megacryometeors also display textural variations of the ice surface and hydro-chemical and isotopic heterogeneity in its composition, which gives potential evidence to a complex formation process in the lower atmosphere. It is known that they do not form from airplane toilet leakage because the large chunks of ice that occasionally do fall from airliners are distinctly blue due to the disinfectant use by them (hence the common term "blue ice"). Some have speculated that these ice chunks must have fallen from aircraft fuselages after plain water ice accumulating on those aircraft through normal atmospheric conditions has simply broken loose. However, similar events also occurred prior to the invention of aircraft. Studies show that meteorological fluctuations in tropopause, associated with hydration of the lower stratosphere and stratospheric cooling, can be related to their formation. A detailed micro-Ramen spectroscopic study made it possible to place the formation of the megacryometeors within a particular range of temperatures: -10 to -20 C. They are sometimes confused with meteors because they leave small impact craters, though they form in the atmosphere and not outer space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 https://www.damninteresting.com/the-peculiar-phenomenon-of-megacryometeors/ Over the past decade, over fifty such objects have been recorded worldwide. Some have been as small as about one pound, but one monstrous mass of ice that fell in Brazil weighed about 400 pounds— almost a quarter of a ton— and crashed through the roof of a Mercedes-Benz factory. One recently made headlines in Oakland, California, weighing over 200 pounds and creating a dent in the Earth three feet deep. A similar event occurred in Chicago last February, crashing through the roof of a house. Martínez-Frías led the research on the objects in Spain, examining the ice and impact sites from multiple megacryometeors. The ice was found to be free of urine, feces, and disinfecting solutions, so it was determined that its source was not an airplane’s frozen waste water. In fact, at the times of several of the events, the official records of air traffic control showed no airplanes in the skies over the areas in question. The makeup of the ice was vastly different from that of comets, so an extraterrestrial original was ruled out. But the composition of the frozen water did bear a very striking resemblance to that of a well-known weather phenomenon: hail. A possible megacryometeor which hit a Chicago home in February 2006 The mysterious ice blobs, like hail, have been found to contain air bubbles, onion-like layering, and traces of ammonia and silica. The icy objects also have isotopic distributions of oxygen-18 and deuterium similar to those found in hailstones. Aside from their surprising mass and their tendency to plunge one-at-a-time from clear skies, the ice balls are almost identical to hail. Adding further intrigue to the investigation, it was discovered that there were several peculiar conditions in the high atmosphere over Spain that day: ozone levels were lower than normal, causing the troposphere to be particularly warm and the stratosphere to be particularly cold… also, the lower stratosphere was more humid than usual, and there was strong wind shear in the upper atmosphere. https://medium.com/galileos-doughnuts/megacryometeor-madness-dc13ced28ee5 Since 2000, there have been 50 recorded megacryometeor falls. The smallest was around half a kilogram, whilst the biggest, which fell in Brazil and partially wrecked a factory, weighed in at an impressive 50 kilograms. Analysis on recovered megacryometeors show that they form within a range of temperatures from -10°C to -20°C and that they seem to share the onion like layering associated with more traditional hailstones. When the megacryometeors from Spain were analysed, the results suggested that the ice had formed high up in the upper troposphere. Further atmospheric research using data from NASA showed that a thin jet of ozone depression passed through the areas in Spain where the ice falls took place, causing the troposphere to be warmer than normal and the stratosphere to be cooler and more humid than normal, as well as a particularly strong wind shear in the upper atmosphere. Megacryometeor falls have been recorded since the early 19th century, but the apparent frequency appears to be increasing over the last 50 years. It has been postulated that this may be a symptom of climate change, but there is no strong evidence either way. Documented megacryometeors that have fallen from clear skies include 1829 in Córdoba, Spain, with a 2 kg ball of ice and in 1851 in New Hampshire which recorded a 1kg megacryometeor. More recent cases include a 9 kg fall in Batley, West Yorkshire in 1991, and probably the best documented UK fall of a megacryometeor was on 2nd April, 1973, in Manchester. The block weighed 2 kg and consisted of 51 layers of ice. Its origin was not determined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 it is weird how snowman19 disappears when there is a threat of snow it is like he is upset at that prospect... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 13 hours ago, bobjohnsonforthehall said: Interesting read. Lots of speculation and scare and little in terms of actual knowledge of what is actually happening. Certainly wants the reader to feel a certain way without any actual facts though so I guess if that was the point of the story then...mission accomplished? fact 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, forkyfork said: fact The guy is the world's richest man, why doesn't he just host all of this himself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 i was serious about my ecmwf.int maps post 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 we can talk about specific policy impacts but not politicians k thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 3 hours ago, forkyfork said: fact It was a scheduled power maintenance, as Don Sutherland pointed out in the other thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 aww you think it won't be on the chopping block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and West Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 we can talk about specific policy impacts but not politicians k thxI think policy impacts are separate from the observation that any organization you are in - private, public, non-profit, or beyond - is that roughly any organization has about ten percent of employees who are unnecessary. Look at any corporate job you’ve been in or government entity you’ve dealt with - they’re inefficient. We’ve all worked with people where we wonder what they do. I was once that person in a job where I didn’t have enough to do; it was fun, but I knew I could easily be cut. I left before that happened.The federal government as a whole is just the largest entity, so the sheer number of people that wouldn’t be missed is that about ten percent across the board. It becomes a tangled web we weave when they’re targeted for vindictive reasons in certain areas.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and West Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 it is weird how snowman19 disappears when there is a threat of snow it is like he is upset at that prospect...It’s tough for anyone to hear something they don’t want to hear. Human nature. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Just now, North and West said: It’s tough for anyone to hear something they don’t want to hear. Human nature. . He’s in the February thread saying a major snowstorm is possible mid-late February if the pattern verifies. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobjohnsonforthehall Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 10 minutes ago, forkyfork said: aww you think it won't be on the chopping block Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Maybe it is going to be restructured into something more efficient at another agency. Maybe it remains in some sleeker format. You don't know and I don't know. Your apparent assumption seems to be that the entire thing is going away and will never be replaced by anything in any way shape or form and oh my goodness the sky is falling. Good luck with that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 I’ll never understand the peasant brain people experience when it comes to real life billionaire versions of Lord Farquaad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 25 minutes ago, forkyfork said: aww you think it won't be on the chopping block I never said that I think it won't be on the chopping block. You made an incorrect assumption here and in the February thread. It was simply power maintenance. Then you made the "laugh away" post. I laughed at your post because you made a ridiculous incorrect assumption. Not because I like what's going on or am in denial. I don't like Elon Musk. You shouldn't have even brought him up in a February weather thread anyway. Talking about politicians in a weather thread is against the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 25 minutes ago, North and West said: I think policy impacts are separate from the observation that any organization you are in - private, public, non-profit, or beyond - is that roughly any organization has about ten percent of employees who are unnecessary. Most government agencies need more staff, higher prestige, higher caliber of applications, higher salaries. Efficiency could also be increased by not having 1 of 2 major political parties actively sabotaging government for 50 years. Also what we don't need is $20,000 CT scans, $4000 ultrasounds, $1000 basic blood work etc. We are all sharing these exorbitant costs. Private college education system is fcked too. We need a paradigm shift in health care, child care, elderly care, and our college education system. Privatization and the constant push for bigger profits are bleeding us dry. Attacking and dismantling the government is the completely wrong focus. Obviously perpetuated by greedy or stupid people. Quality of life is much higher in other western countries. The model being pushed on us is Russia (everyone for themselves... wealthy-elite controlled society). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobjohnsonforthehall Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 2 minutes ago, eduggs said: Most government agencies need more staff, higher prestige, higher caliber of applications, higher salaries. Efficiency could also be increased by not having 1 of 2 major political parties actively sabotaging government for 50 years. Also what we don't need is $20,000 CT scans, $4000 ultrasounds, $1000 basic blood work etc. We are all sharing these exorbitant costs. Private college education system is fcked too. We need a paradigm shift in health care, child care, elderly care, and our college education system. Privatization and the constant push for bigger profits are bleeding us dry. Attacking and dismantling the government is the completely wrong focus. Obviously perpetuated by greedy or stupid people. Quality of life is much higher in other western countries. The model being pushed on us is Russia. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobjohnsonforthehall Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Just saw that in the February thread. "Elon Musk's takeover". Lol. Not enough popcorn in the world for me right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and West Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 He’s in the February thread saying a major snowstorm is possible mid-late February if the pattern verifies. My mistake; I didn’t see it. I just opened the storm thread for Saturday and jumped from 15 to 185 since I last saw. Haven’t seen the February thread since last night. I hope it’s insane.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 whatever you need to tell yourselves 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 12 minutes ago, winterwx21 said: I never said that I think it won't be on the chopping block. You made an incorrect assumption here and in the February thread. It was simply power maintenance. Then you made the "laugh away" post. I laughed at your post because you made a ridiculous incorrect assumption. Not because I like what's going on or am in denial. I don't like Elon Musk. You shouldn't have even brought him up in a February weather thread anyway. Talking about politicians in a weather thread is against the rules. he's not a politician Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and West Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Most government agencies need more staff, higher prestige, higher caliber of applications, higher salaries. Efficiency could also be increased by not having 1 of 2 major political parties actively sabotaging government for 50 years. Also what we don't need is $20,000 CT scans, $4000 ultrasounds, $1000 basic blood work etc. We are all sharing these exorbitant costs. Private college education system is fcked too. We need a paradigm shift in health care, child care, elderly care, and our college education system. Privatization and the constant push for bigger profits are bleeding us dry. Attacking and dismantling the government is the completely wrong focus. Obviously perpetuated by greedy or stupid people. Quality of life is much higher in other western countries. The model being pushed on us is Russia.I don’t fully agree or disagree with you. The deficit spending can’t be sustainable. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobjohnsonforthehall Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Government gets involved in education. Prices explode. Government gets involved in healthcare. Prices explode. The answer apparently is...more government? Sure. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, North and West said: I don’t fully agree or disagree with you. The deficit spending can’t be sustainable. . Military spending, health care spending (costs), relatively low tax rates (revenues). Those are the issues to consider if you're concerned about deficit spending. You also have to spend money to make money. Investing in infrastructure (both physical and tech), robust immigration, and being smart about corporate tax rates are all critical factors that affect the revenue side. One political party is capable of developing plans to tackle these issues based on facts and evidence. The other party is not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 The Trump - Musk party has shown it likes to break sh'it... Things that get in the way of their egos, their wealth, and their power. But they are breaking all the wrong things and ignoring the things that actually need to be dismantled and rebuilt. That doesn't help most of us at all. It just decreases our quality of life, makes us poorer, and less safe. Nice job everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 15 minutes ago, bobjohnsonforthehall said: Government gets involved in education. Prices explode. Government gets involved in healthcare. Prices explode. The answer apparently is...more government? Sure. Makes sense. I'd bet everything I have that you are an uninformed ideologue. You literally couldn't be more wrong if it was your goal to post something incorrect. I dare you to post something intelligent on any subject. We have too many people like you who think they understand things that they actually know nothing about. It's all buzz phrases with you. Simple black and white. Completely unable to grasp subtlety or nuance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North and West Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 I'd bet everything I have that you are an uninformed ideologue. You literally couldn't be more wrong if it was your goal to post something incorrect. I dare you to post something intelligent on any subject. We have too many people like you who think they understand things that they actually know nothing about. It's all buzz phrases with you. Simple black and white. Completely unable to grasp subtlety or nuance.Man, that’s harsh. I think we’re all just trying our best everyday. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland have effective and efficient governments. People believe in government and strive to make it work. People living in those countries also have an extremely high quality of life on average. Russia has an ineffective and inefficient government. Money and power are concentration in the hands of a few ruling elites. People don't believe in government and they don't try to make it work. Government is used by the elites to protect their power and control the masses (corrupt justice system, no freedom of press etc). The Trump-Musk government wants to model us after Russia. Which system would you prefer? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eduggs Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, North and West said: Man, that’s harsh. I think we’re all just trying our best everyday. . It's the truth. And people need to hear it. If you are an idiot, I'm coming after you. Why? Because you are harming my country, my family, and my well being. And if you think I'm an idiot or that I live in my mother's basement, I will prove to you that I am not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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