bluewave Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 18 minutes ago, Volcanic Winter said: And the core of the cold dumping west of us absolutely has been a recurring theme. Yeah, it’s the same theme this month that we saw with the record cold going to our south and west back in February 2021. Notice the warmer departures in Maine also. Very difficult for cold to be focused over the Northeast these days. The last time the core of a record cold airmass was focused over the Northeast for a month was way back in February 2015. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 4 minutes ago, bluewave said: Yeah, it’s the same theme this month that we saw with the record cold going to our south and west back in February 2021. Notice the warmer departures in Maine also. Very difficult for cold to be focused over the Northeast these days. The last time the core of a record cold airmass was focused over the Northeast for a month was way back in February 2015. Chris is this because the oceans are warming more quickly than the land, therefore the cold is going farther to the west now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: In the tweet, he said the climate has changed, but to what exactly? This isn't warming (it's not cooling either, this kind of thing happens every few decades.) if he started being honest about climate change he would lose his supporters 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrishRob17 Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 3 hours ago, IrishRob17 said: -8.3 at the moment here -9 (-9.4) for the low, up to 7 now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MANDA Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago Amazing map. You don't see something like this that often. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 2 hours ago, EastonSN+ said: Here are the total of foot plus storms for Central Park....odd does not always match a KU for Central Park like 87. This list is missing a lot of 12+ snows in Central Park. It lists 28 when there are actually 39 since 1870. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 minute ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: This list is missing a lot of 12+ snows in Central Park. It lists 28 when there are actually 39 since 1870. This is directly from the national weather service. If you have a different list perhaps you can email them? Would be better if they are accurate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, LibertyBell said: I know why, they are only including 12.0 inches plus for KU events. I'd argue that it should be lowered to 8.0..... storms like April 1982 and March 1993 were most definitely KU events! Your list prompted another question, among the big east coast cities (DCA, BWI, PHL, NYC, PVD, BOS), which has the most 20"+ snowstorms? I'm including PD2 because 19.8 can be rounded up to 20 and it was 25.5 at JFK anyway.... so that means NYC has had 8 20" snowstorms. (JFK has 6 but their records only go back to 1960.) I know at one point Baltimore had the most, is this still the case? If you lowered the list to 8 inch storms there are 117 such storms in NYC since record keeping began in 1869. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 8 inch Snowstorms Central Park in NYC (through January 21, 2025) Ranking Amount Year & Date(s) 1 27.5 January 23, 2016 2 26.9 February 11-12, 2006 3 25.8 December 26-27, 1947 4 21.0 March 12-14, 1888 5 20.9 February 25-26, 2010 6 20.2 January 7-8, 1996 7 20.0 December 26-27, 2010 8 19.8 February 16-17, 2003 9 19.0 January 26-27, 2011 10 18.1 March 7-8, 1941 10 18.1 January 22-24, 1935 12 18.0 December 26, 1872 13 17.7 February 5-7, 1978 14 17.6 February 11-12, 1983 15 17.5 February 4-7, 1920 16 17.4 February 3-4, 1961 17 17.4 Jan 31-Feb1 2021 18 16.0 December 19-20, 1948 18 16.0 February 12-13, 1899 20 15.3 February 9-10, 1969 21 15.2 December 11-12, 1960 22 14.5 March 3-4, 1960 22 14.5 March 1-2, 1914 24 14.0 December 5-7, 2003 25 13.8 January 22-23, 2005 26 13.7 December 21-22, 1959 27 13.6 January 19-20, 1978 28 13.0 January 15-16, 1879 28 13.0 January 1-2, 1877 30 12.8 February 11, 1994 31 12.7 February 19, 1979 32 12.7 December 15, 1916 33 12.5 February 13-14 2014 34 12.5 February 7, 1967 35 12.5 January 12-13, 1964 36 12.5 February 20, 1921 37 12.0 December 30, 2000 38 12.0 February 9-10, 1926 39 12.0 March 15-16, 1896 40 11.8 March 20-21, 1958 41 11.6 March 18-19, 1956 42 11.5 January 2, 1925 43 11.5 January 21-22, 2014 44 11.4 December 24, 1912 45 11.4 February 8-9, 2013 46 11.2 December 26, 1933 47 11.0 February 3-4, 1876 48 11.0 January 24-25, 1905 49 11.0 February 4-5, 1907 50 10.9 December 19-20, 2009 51 10.8 February 4, 1995 52 10.7 February 20-21, 1947 53 10.7 February 16-17, 1996 54 10.6 March 13-14, 1993 55 10.5 December 16-17 2020 56 10.4 February 3-4, 1926 57 10.3 January 28, 2004 58 10.2 April 3-4, 1915 59 10.0 April 13, 1875 60 10.0 March 2, 1896 61 10.0 January 27-28, 1897 62 10.0 November 26-27, 1898 63 10.0 February 17, 1902 64 10.0 January 23-24, 1908 65 10.0 January 14-15, 1910 66 10.0 February 11, 1933 67 10.0 February 10, 2010 68 9.9 January 19-20, 1961 69 9.8 January 4, 2018 70 9.8 February 1, 1934 71 9.8 February 15-17, 1903 72 9.8 January 26-27, 2015 73 9.7 February 13-14, 1914 74 9.6 April 6, 1982 75 9.5 December 13-14, 1917 76 9.4 February 28-March 1, 1949 77 9.4 February 9, 2017 78 9.3 February 25-26, 1934 79 9.1 February 17-18, 1893 80 9.1 January 11-12, 2011 81 9.0 January 19, 1936 82 9.0 March 22, 1967 83 9.0 February 14-15, 1940 84 9.0 February 4-5, 1882 85 9.0 February 8-9, 1994 86 9.0 January 1, 1869 87 9.0 January 3-4, 1923 88 9.0 March 4, 1893 89 9.0 November 29-30, 1882 90 8.9 February 26-27, 1991 91 8.8 January 13-14. 1939 92 8.8 November 24-25, 1938 93 8.6 March 5, 1981 94 8.6 January 10-12, 1954 95 8.5 April 1, 1924 96 8.5 February 12, 1897 97 8.4 March 21, 2018 98 8.3 December 19-20, 1945 99 8.3 March 1-2, 2009 100 8.3 January 28-29 2022 101 8.1 January 22, 1987 102 8.1 December 5, 1886 103 8.0 February 1, 1929 104 8.0 February 3, 2014 105 8.0 December 25-26, 1909 106 8.0 December 3-4, 1957 107 8.0 February 10-11, 1883 108 8.0 February 25-26, 1894 109 8.0 February 5-6, 1908 110 8.0 February 8, 1870 111 8.0 Jannuarry 31, 1882 112 8.0 January 14, 1874 113 8.0 January 2-3, 1904 114 8.0 January 26-27 1871 115 8.0 January 27, 1873 116 8.0 Januay 25, 1891 117 8.0 March 17-18, 1892 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 18 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: Chris is this because the oceans are warming more quickly than the land, therefore the cold is going farther to the west now? I was looking for some statistics but can't find it. I would have to imagine if it had something to do with ocean temperatures then this would always be the case as the water temperatures are always warmer than land. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago Just now, CPcantmeasuresnow said: 8 inch Snowstorms Central Park in NYC (through January 21, 2025) Ranking Amount Year & Date(s) 1 27.5 January 23, 2016 2 26.9 February 11-12, 2006 3 25.8 December 26-27, 1947 4 21.0 March 12-14, 1888 5 20.9 February 25-26, 2010 6 20.2 January 7-8, 1996 7 20.0 December 26-27, 2010 8 19.8 February 16-17, 2003 9 19.0 January 26-27, 2011 10 18.1 March 7-8, 1941 10 18.1 January 22-24, 1935 12 18.0 December 26, 1872 13 17.7 February 5-7, 1978 14 17.6 February 11-12, 1983 15 17.5 February 4-7, 1920 16 17.4 February 3-4, 1961 17 17.4 Jan 31-Feb1 2021 18 16.0 December 19-20, 1948 18 16.0 February 12-13, 1899 20 15.3 February 9-10, 1969 21 15.2 December 11-12, 1960 22 14.5 March 3-4, 1960 22 14.5 March 1-2, 1914 24 14.0 December 5-7, 2003 25 13.8 January 22-23, 2005 26 13.7 December 21-22, 1959 27 13.6 January 19-20, 1978 28 13.0 January 15-16, 1879 28 13.0 January 1-2, 1877 30 12.8 February 11, 1994 31 12.7 February 19, 1979 32 12.7 December 15, 1916 33 12.5 February 13-14 2014 34 12.5 February 7, 1967 35 12.5 January 12-13, 1964 36 12.5 February 20, 1921 37 12.0 December 30, 2000 38 12.0 February 9-10, 1926 39 12.0 March 15-16, 1896 40 11.8 March 20-21, 1958 41 11.6 March 18-19, 1956 42 11.5 January 2, 1925 43 11.5 January 21-22, 2014 44 11.4 December 24, 1912 45 11.4 February 8-9, 2013 46 11.2 December 26, 1933 47 11.0 February 3-4, 1876 48 11.0 January 24-25, 1905 49 11.0 February 4-5, 1907 50 10.9 December 19-20, 2009 51 10.8 February 4, 1995 52 10.7 February 20-21, 1947 53 10.7 February 16-17, 1996 54 10.6 March 13-14, 1993 55 10.5 December 16-17 2020 56 10.4 February 3-4, 1926 57 10.3 January 28, 2004 58 10.2 April 3-4, 1915 59 10.0 April 13, 1875 60 10.0 March 2, 1896 61 10.0 January 27-28, 1897 62 10.0 November 26-27, 1898 63 10.0 February 17, 1902 64 10.0 January 23-24, 1908 65 10.0 January 14-15, 1910 66 10.0 February 11, 1933 67 10.0 February 10, 2010 68 9.9 January 19-20, 1961 69 9.8 January 4, 2018 70 9.8 February 1, 1934 71 9.8 February 15-17, 1903 72 9.8 January 26-27, 2015 73 9.7 February 13-14, 1914 74 9.6 April 6, 1982 75 9.5 December 13-14, 1917 76 9.4 February 28-March 1, 1949 77 9.4 February 9, 2017 78 9.3 February 25-26, 1934 79 9.1 February 17-18, 1893 80 9.1 January 11-12, 2011 81 9.0 January 19, 1936 82 9.0 March 22, 1967 83 9.0 February 14-15, 1940 84 9.0 February 4-5, 1882 85 9.0 February 8-9, 1994 86 9.0 January 1, 1869 87 9.0 January 3-4, 1923 88 9.0 March 4, 1893 89 9.0 November 29-30, 1882 90 8.9 February 26-27, 1991 91 8.8 January 13-14. 1939 92 8.8 November 24-25, 1938 93 8.6 March 5, 1981 94 8.6 January 10-12, 1954 95 8.5 April 1, 1924 96 8.5 February 12, 1897 97 8.4 March 21, 2018 98 8.3 December 19-20, 1945 99 8.3 March 1-2, 2009 100 8.3 January 28-29 2022 101 8.1 January 22, 1987 102 8.1 December 5, 1886 103 8.0 February 1, 1929 104 8.0 February 3, 2014 105 8.0 December 25-26, 1909 106 8.0 December 3-4, 1957 107 8.0 February 10-11, 1883 108 8.0 February 25-26, 1894 109 8.0 February 5-6, 1908 110 8.0 February 8, 1870 111 8.0 Jannuarry 31, 1882 112 8.0 January 14, 1874 113 8.0 January 2-3, 1904 114 8.0 January 26-27 1871 115 8.0 January 27, 1873 116 8.0 Januay 25, 1891 117 8.0 March 17-18, 1892 Where were you able to harvest this information? I have just been using the national weather service information. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 18 minutes ago, forkyfork said: if he started being honest about climate change he would lose his supporters He has me blocked and I have no idea who he even is lol and never even interacted with him before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 3 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Where were you able to harvest this information? I have just been using the national weather service information. I'm amazed there's a specific list for 8 inch snowstorms at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 8 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: If you lowered the list to 8 inch storms there are 117 such storms in NYC since record keeping began in 1869. wow thanks for the list, I had no idea there was a specific list for 8 inch snowstorms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FPizz Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago -0.4 this morning. Back to back months below zero, pretty rare in this area. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonymm Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 17 hours ago, Allsnow said: The 20-30 inch storms don’t happen often enough in warm winters for me to prefer that type of outcome some of our misfortune this winter has been bad luck. Luck is something we really have not had. I mean come on New Orleans is about to have a higher seasonal total than us. That's nothing but terrible luck with the storm track. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 14 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Where were you able to harvest this information? I have just been using the national weather service information. 90 8.9 February 26-27, 1991 91 8.8 January 13-14. 1939 92 8.8 November 24-25, 1938 93 8.6 March 5, 1981 94 8.6 January 10-12, 1954 95 8.5 April 1, 1924 96 8.5 February 12, 1897 97 8.4 March 21, 2018 98 8.3 December 19-20, 1945 99 8.3 March 1-2, 2009 100 8.3 January 28-29 2022 101 8.1 January 22, 1987 Interesting list, that very weird storm from 1991 was a big positive bust ( we were only supposed to get a frontal passage) and as you can see January 1987 makes the list as well as a few others we know. Those two storms were the ONLY 8" snowstorms between February 1983 and March 1993 ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 7 minutes ago, anthonymm said: Luck is something we really have not had. I mean come on New Orleans is about to have a higher seasonal total than us. That's nothing but terrible luck with the storm track. terrible luck would be if we missed a storm by 25 miles not 500+ miles lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: 90 8.9 February 26-27, 1991 91 8.8 January 13-14. 1939 92 8.8 November 24-25, 1938 93 8.6 March 5, 1981 94 8.6 January 10-12, 1954 95 8.5 April 1, 1924 96 8.5 February 12, 1897 97 8.4 March 21, 2018 98 8.3 December 19-20, 1945 99 8.3 March 1-2, 2009 100 8.3 January 28-29 2022 101 8.1 January 22, 1987 Interesting list, that very weird storm from 1991 was a big positive bust ( we were only supposed to get a frontal passage) and as you can see January 1987 makes the list as well as a few others we know. Those two storms were the ONLY 8" snowstorms between February 1983 and March 1993 ! Yeah I remember that frontal passage storm and channel 11 news saying it was a 1, 2 punch the first storm gave 2 in and the second storm we're supposed to give 4 and then we ended up with 8. Regarding your second point of only two 8 inch storms, this is the reason the last 6 years have not shaken me, as I lived through the 80s and 90s. To me this feels like a repeat/nostalgia with regards to snowfall LOL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 2 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Yeah I remember that frontal passage storm and channel 11 news saying it was a 1, 2 punch the first storm gave 2 in and the second storm we're supposed to give 4 and then we ended up with 8. Regarding your second point of only two 8 inch storms, this is the reason the last 6 years have not shaken me, as I lived through the 80s and 90s. To me this feels like a repeat/nostalgia with regards to snowfall LOL. This is like December 1989 a month later (and not as cold) but the good thing is nothing as warm as JFM 1990 is on the horizon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 18 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: Where were you able to harvest this information? I have just been using the national weather service information. It's a list I've kept updated in Excel for years. I originally created it from the NWS site maybe 15 years ago and have updated it myself over time with every new storm that makes the list. I actually keep the list of all 6 inch plus storms for Central Park location. There are 196 such storms since 1869, more than 1 per year on average. We should have a celebration when the Park gets number 200. That may be difficult with the way they usually under measure. The last several years especially. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago Just now, CPcantmeasuresnow said: It's a list I've kept updated in Excel for years. I originally created it from the NWS site maybe 15 years ago and have updated it myself over time with every new storm that makes the list. I actually keep the list of all 6 inch plus storms for Central Park location. There are 196 such storms since 1869, more than 1 per year on average. We should have a celebration when the Park gets number 200. That may be difficult with the way they usually under measure. The last several years especially. Nice, could you post the full 6 inch list too, I'd like to save it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 10 / -4 off a low of 5. Clouds and cold. Very cold : 1/20 - 1/25 (-10 to -20 departures) Moderation brief: 1/26 - 1/30 - near normal but storm activity increased with cold nearby 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 minute ago, LibertyBell said: Nice, could you post the full 6 inch list too, I'd like to save it! Yes will post it in a few. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 2 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: It's a list I've kept updated in Excel for years. I originally created it from the NWS site maybe 15 years ago and have updated it myself over time with every new storm that makes the list. I actually keep the list of all 6 inch plus storms for Central Park location. There are 196 such storms since 1869, more than 1 per year on average. We should have a celebration when the Park gets number 200. That may be difficult with the way they usually under measure. The last several years especially. it means we should be getting one 6-8 inch snowstorm every year, but it seems to be the rarest type of snowstorm now, we either get 1-3 inches or 10+ it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago Records: Highs: EWR: 62 (2006) NYC: 63 (2006) LGA: 64 (2006) JKF: 61 (2006) Lows: EWR: -8 (1985) NYC: -2 (1985) LGA: -3 (1985) JFK: -2 (1985) Historical: 1863 - A severe coastal storm dropped heavy rain on the Fredericksburg area of Virginia. It disrupted a Union Army offensive in an ill famed "mud march." (David Ludlum) 1963: Up to 3" of snow falls on San Francisco, their heaviest since 1887. 1982 - The second of two major snowstorms to hit southern Minnesota came to an end. Minneapolis received 20 inches of snow in 24 hours to break the previous record of 17 inches in 24 hours established just a few days earlier. A record 38 inches of snow covered the ground following the two storms, with drifts ten feet high. (David Ludlum) 1985 - Three days of snow squalls at Buffalo NY finally came to an end. The squalls, induced by relatively warm water in Lake Erie, produced 34 inches of snow at the International Airport, with up to 47 inches reported in the suburbs of Buffalo. The New York "blizzard of '85" left many counties disaster areas. (19th-21st) (Weather Channel) (Storm Data) President Reagan was sworn in for a second term in the coldest Inauguration Ceremony of record. Cold and wind resulted in wind chill readings as much as 30 degrees below zero. (Sandra and TI Richard Sanders - 1987) 1985: Jacksonville, Florida, recorded its all-time record low of 7 degrees. Macon, Georgia, had its coldest day ever with a temperature of 6 degrees. It was the coldest Inauguration day in history as President Reagan is sworn in for a second term during cold and winds that resulted in wind chill readings of 30 degrees below zero. Because of the bitter cold temperatures, many outdoor Inauguration events were canceled, and President Reagan was sworn in the Capitol Rotunda. 1987 - Low pressure over Minnesota produced high winds in the Northern Plains Region. Winds gusted to 66 mph at Rapid City SD, and reached 70 mph at Belle Fourche SD. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1988 - High pressure over northern Nevada and low pressure off the coast of southern California combined to produce high winds in the southwestern U.S. Wind gusts in the San Francisco area reached 70 mph at Fremont. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1989 - Cold and snow prevailed in the northeastern U.S. Up to 13 inches of snow was reported between Woodford and Searsburg in Vermont. Montpelier VT reported a wind chill reading of 42 degrees below zero. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1990 - Unseasonably warm weather prevailed across the state of Florida. Eight cities reported record high temperatures for the date, including West Palm Beach with a reading of 86 degrees. Rain in southern New England changed to freezing rain, then to sleet, and then to heavy snow during the late morning. Most of Massachusetts was blanketed with 6 to 10 inches of snow. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data) 1999: A major tornado outbreak occurred from the southwest into central and northeast Arkansas during the afternoon and evening. In the Little Rock Area, 30 tornadoes tracked across 15 counties. Homes and businesses were damaged or destroyed in Little Rock, Beebe, McRae, and areas farther north and east. Eight deaths resulted from the tornadoes, with 140 to 150 injuries also reported. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthonymm Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 8 hours ago, LibertyBell said: Don did the pattern produce in Philly? I ask because it seems like there was a donut hole from NYC to Philly because we were sandwiched between two tracks-- neither of which benefit us-- and this is something that seems to happen quite often with a fast Pacific flow. Yes Philly-NYC corridor was the suck zone. Tracks to our south, tracks to our north, suck zone here. I chalk it up to shitty luck honestly. If we dont score in February somehow this is gonna be another < 10" year for central park. For the record, central park had never had 2 consecutive single digit winters (22-24 was unprecedented), so if it happens again this winter the 20s are gonna easily exceed the 80s in terms of snow drought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago NYC: Jan 21, 2001 : 6 inches of snowfall. Jan 21, 2014 : 11 inches of snowfall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago Jan 2014 (20-21) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago What a radar image - would have been interesting to see the 1895 storm satellite and radar and how it compared to this. The visible satellite tomorrow will be very memorable with the snow covered Gulf states. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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