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12 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

I absolutely believe we see -PNA/RNA at the end of the month. The 2 questions are 1) how strong of a -PNA? (which you just said) and 2) is there going to be legit west-based -NAO blocking to somewhat tame the SE ridging? 

Totally shocked you would say that..lol 

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15 minutes ago, snowman19 said:

I absolutely believe we see -PNA/RNA at the end of the month. The 2 questions are 1) how strong of a -PNA? (which you just said) and 2) is there going to be legit west-based -NAO blocking to somewhat tame the SE ridging? 

How's your warm December and warm January going ? Stop making definite assumptions.

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25 minutes ago, gravitylover said:

This current storm going on reminds me of an old 4 Corners Low in a bunch of ways. It's too bad it won't follow through with an offshore redevelopment and run up the coast like they used to.

Agreed. A primary dying out over WV almost always meant coastal redeveloped in ideal spot for us...maybe next weekend Miller A will be better

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mPing?  anyone know what's happening.  Getting a response about impersonating.  Did we have to reload it?

 

fwiw... might have more flakes today in Wantage then we see tomorrow??? lots of fluffy flakes coming down...  been off and on the past 3 days but today is the best yet. 

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4 minutes ago, wdrag said:

mPing?  anyone know what's happening.  Getting a response about impersonating.  Did we have to reload it?

 

fwiw... might have more flakes today in Wantage then we see tomorrow??? lots of fluffy flakes coming down...  been off and on the past 3 days but today is the best yet. 

I had no issues yesterday but just tried to submit a ‘None’ report thru the app on my phone and got “Report Submission Failed. Sorry, unable to submit your report”

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7 minutes ago, wdrag said:

mPing?  anyone know what's happening.  Getting a response about impersonating.  Did we have to reload it?

 

fwiw... might have more flakes today in Wantage then we see tomorrow??? lots of fluffy flakes coming down...  been off and on the past 3 days but today is the best yet. 

Had numerous light snow showers here yesterday and a few flakes this morning.

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1 hour ago, WX-PA said:

not once ..he's here to irritate snow lovers and as you can tell he does a great job.

I've asked a few times and no one can really answer-where has he been wrong? Is he more wrong than the weenie mets and others like BAMwx everyone likes to repost that call for blizzards and cold all the time? His style is irritating but he's right much more often than wrong. Maybe he missed the cold period for the first half of this month? Although it's not really cold-not true arctic origin, just below average for this time of year and cold enough for snow which we're of course missing out on and what most here care about. 

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25 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

Quick spike with the AO a strong storm signal? 

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If I'm not mistaken, @donsutherland1 and @bluewave I'm sure have defined stats, NYC doesn't want a +AO for major snow threats. The late Jan 2022 storm happened during a +AO which allowed it to escape just east enough to keep the heaviest snow over LI and eastern SNE. There seems to be a defined -AO range between -1 and -2.5 where NYC's major storms happen. Too low like we have now and the threat goes up for too suppressed like tomorrow's. But I'd think the timeframe where the pattern shifts is where we can finally make something happen here. 

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1 hour ago, SnoSki14 said:

Seeing all these disappointments over the last few years really makes me appreciate the epic snow pattern of the 2000s and 2010s. 

I'm sure we'll eventually get a nice big snowstorm but it's going to take a lot of work.

And we still have time before the CC warming destroys our hopes. Just look at DC with their upcoming storm. 

We're still many years or decades away from CC being the primary driver destroying snow threats. The patterns matter much more. When DC to Richmond and down to Ocean City MD have perfect tracks, "cold" pattern for then and no snow is when I'd worry. DC has lowered their snow average over the last 20 years and ours went up largely because the patterns/storm evolutions have been a lot more favorable from 2000-18 for this area through much of New England with more Miller B type storms. Since late 2018 we're seeing serious regression which we're due for and the pattern shift to very fast Pacific flow that our area is almost uniquely situated for the worst outcomes-too suppressed like tomorrow, late bloomer which hits Boston, or SWFE/cutter. What CC is likely doing is creating these long lasting marine heatwaves that then alter the patterns-the MJO constantly being in phase 4-6 (doesn't seem to be the case this winter) and essentially permanent Nina effects because of the boiling W PAC that then charges up the Pacific jet, likely has something to do with CC. 

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1 minute ago, jm1220 said:

We're still many years or decades away from CC being the primary driver destroying snow threats. The patterns matter much more. When DC to Richmond and down to Ocean City MD have perfect tracks, "cold" pattern for then and no snow is when I'd worry. DC has lowered their snow average over the last 20 years and ours went up largely because the patterns/storm evolutions have been a lot more favorable from 2000-18 for this area through much of New England with more Miller B type storms. Since late 2018 we're seeing serious regression which we're due for and the pattern shift to very fast Pacific flow that our area is almost uniquely situated for the worst outcomes-too suppressed like tomorrow, late bloomer which hits Boston, or SWFE/cutter. What CC is likely doing is creating these long lasting marine heatwaves that then alter the patterns-the MJO constantly being in phase 4-6 (doesn't seem to be the case this winter) and essentially permanent Nina effects because of the boiling W PAC that then charges up the Pacific jet, likely has something to do with CC. 

Excellent post.

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Verbatim going by the European model  it is snow to rain to snow (and not a lot of snow) at the coast. Again high pressure antecedent or incoming is not favorable for a big snowstorm as of yet. All that said a track too far south of us cannot be ruled out and given the pattern we have been in will have to be watched out for. 

WX/PT

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39 minutes ago, mikem81 said:

Agreed. A primary dying out over WV almost always meant coastal redeveloped in ideal spot for us...maybe next weekend Miller A will be better

The fast pattern means we need the phase or the trough and whole setup will be kicked out to sea. Note how positively tilted the non-phase models are like the GFS, and trough right behind it acting as a kicker. And if we have the phase it needs to be in a good spot, otherwise we run the risk of the coastal hugger and snow to rain near the coast. 6z GFS has a 972 just south of Fire Island, which would make for an outcome like 3/14/17 that was a washout east of the city. Maybe in this case the fast pattern and kicker would help nudge everything east. 

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21 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

We're still many years or decades away from CC being the primary driver destroying snow threats. The patterns matter much more. When DC to Richmond and down to Ocean City MD have perfect tracks, "cold" pattern for then and no snow is when I'd worry. DC has lowered their snow average over the last 20 years and ours went up largely because the patterns/storm evolutions have been a lot more favorable from 2000-18 for this area through much of New England with more Miller B type storms. Since late 2018 we're seeing serious regression which we're due for and the pattern shift to very fast Pacific flow that our area is almost uniquely situated for the worst outcomes-too suppressed like tomorrow, late bloomer which hits Boston, or SWFE/cutter. What CC is likely doing is creating these long lasting marine heatwaves that then alter the patterns-the MJO constantly being in phase 4-6 (doesn't seem to be the case this winter) and essentially permanent Nina effects because of the boiling W PAC that then charges up the Pacific jet, likely has something to do with CC. 

These are conflicting viewpoints. If CC is altering the MJO and forcing due to record warm ssts then it's affecting the pattern. And in this case in a negative way for snow/cold

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Just now, Stormlover74 said:

12z gfs back south. Light event for us

My concern is that the models that do phase seem to blow it up too far west and cause it to hug the coast and it ends up another 3/14/17. We want it a little more progressive so that the phase and trough are 75-100 miles further east. The non-phased ones are maybe a period of light snow as it gets booted out to sea. The 6z GFS would be the worst imaginable kick in the balls east of NYC-too far north for tomorrow's event to a hugger mostly rain. 

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22 minutes ago, Wxoutlooksblog said:

Verbatim going by the European model  it is snow to rain to snow (and not a lot of snow) at the coast. Again high pressure antecedent or incoming is not favorable for a big snowstorm as of yet. All that said a track too far south of us cannot be ruled out and given the pattern we have been in will have to be watched out for. 

WX/PT

Euro is OTS

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2 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

My concern is that the models that do phase seem to blow it up too far west and cause it to hug the coast and it ends up another 3/14/17. We want it a little more progressive so that the phase and trough are 75-100 miles further east. The non-phased ones are maybe a period of light snow as it gets booted out to sea. The 6z GFS would be the worst imaginable kick in the balls east of NYC-too far north for tomorrow's event to a hugger mostly rain. 

I would sign up for a repeat of that in a heartbeat. 

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