bluewave Posted Monday at 01:55 PM Share Posted Monday at 01:55 PM 2 minutes ago, Allsnow said: The trees still have leaves on them in NYC? The trees are tall enough now close in to the sensors that the site can even get shade during the afternoon without any leaves on the trees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted Monday at 01:56 PM Share Posted Monday at 01:56 PM NYC Jan 27 , 2004 : 10.3 inches of frigid snowfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted Monday at 01:58 PM Share Posted Monday at 01:58 PM 3 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Winter ended after the big Chicago blizzard to start February How could you say that when we had more snow events after that. If winter ended we would have no more snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted Monday at 02:00 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:00 PM 3 minutes ago, bluewave said: The trees are tall enough now close in to the sensors that the site can even get shade during the afternoon without any leaves on the trees. This could have actually happened in the past too thinking about it. How many times have they changed the measurement in and out of shade over the past 100 plus years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted Monday at 02:00 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:00 PM 2004 https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/east-coast-snowstorm/11/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted Monday at 02:02 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:02 PM 17 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Yeah I don’t see the torch Bluewave is seeing this month. EPO going negative again after a brief +EPO-if that happens I think we stay on the colder side of things-not mention the colder side has won out. On a side note-ponds and lakes completely frozen-saw alot of people skating and playing ice hockey....nice to see for a change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted Monday at 02:03 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:03 PM 3 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said: How could you say that when we had more snow events after that. If winter ended we would have no more snow. 4 fell in the park that February and some of that was from the slop storm To start the month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted Monday at 02:04 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:04 PM Just now, Brian5671 said: EPO going negative again after a brief +EPO-if that happens I think we stay on the colder side of things-not mention the colder side has won out. On a side note-ponds and lakes completely frozen-saw alot of people skating and playing ice hockey....nice to see for a change! Yup, lots of ice everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted Monday at 02:04 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:04 PM Just a bit inland Jan dep through the 26th: DOV: -6.7 ACY: -5.7 TTN: -5.7 PHL: -4.9 BLM: -3.9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted Monday at 02:05 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:05 PM Just now, Allsnow said: 4 fell in the park that February and some of that was from the slop storm To start the month That's still three accumulating snowfalls following the start of February. I think getting Central Park another four to seven inches over three events is still winter. Winter ending would be something along the lines of 2001 2002 or 2011-2012 where Winter really did end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted Monday at 02:05 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:05 PM 1 minute ago, Allsnow said: 4 fell in the park that February and some of that was from the slop storm To start the month Central Park recorded 4.5 in of snow in the late February storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted Monday at 02:05 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:05 PM Brutal… NYC going to finish below 10 inches this season which will be the 3rd winter in a row. The 4+ streak will definitely go into next winter 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted Monday at 02:06 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:06 PM 1 minute ago, SACRUS said: Just a bit inland Jan dep through the 26th: DOV: -6.7 ACY: -5.7 TTN: -5.7 PHL: -4.9 BLM: -3.9 @bluewave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted Monday at 02:07 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:07 PM Just now, Allsnow said: Brutal… NYC going to finish below 10 inches this season which will be the 3rd winter in a row. The 4+ streak will definitely go into next winter way too early to say that-a freak slop storm in late March could drop 5 inches...think back to 97-98 the record looked like a lock... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted Monday at 02:07 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:07 PM 1 minute ago, EastonSN+ said: That's still three accumulating snowfalls following the start of February. I think getting Central Park another four to seven inches over three events is still winter. Winter ending would be something along the lines of 2001 2002 or 2011-2012 where Winter really did end. Nuisances events that didn’t stick to the pavement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted Monday at 02:08 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:08 PM Just now, Brian5671 said: way too early to say that-a freak slop storm in late March could drop 5 inches...think back to 97-98 the record looked like a lock... All the late season storms posters bring up happened in a different climate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted Monday at 02:08 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:08 PM Wetter look by Saturday to open next month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted Monday at 02:09 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:09 PM Just now, Allsnow said: Nuisances events that didn’t stick to the pavement I guess it's just a matter of perception per person then. To me three accumulating snowfall events two in February and one in March for Central Park in the surrounding area is still winter. Winter ending, to me, is no more snow. If I could lock in three more snow events this winter, two in February and one in March were Central Park records snow in all three I would take it in a heartbeat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted Monday at 02:09 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:09 PM 2 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: way too early to say that-a freak slop storm in late March could drop 5 inches...think back to 97-98 the record looked like a lock... Or even a trace of snow in May like a couple of years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted Monday at 02:13 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:13 PM 4 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: way too early to say that-a freak slop storm in late March could drop 5 inches...think back to 97-98 the record looked like a lock... 100% agree. We even had April snow back in 2018 and a couple of good snow events in 2019 in March. Again March snowfall switches depending on the decade, where the 90s saw a lot of March now, the 2000s saw almost no March snow and a 2010s having a lot of March snow. We are back in a low snowfall decade for March. That being said it could still happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted Monday at 02:13 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:13 PM 30 minutes ago, Allsnow said: Yeah I don’t see the torch Bluewave is seeing this month. I never use the term torch when describing monthly temperature departures. My guess is that the February departure will be warmer than average across the 7 station average. Pretty typical for a Southeast Ridge pattern during February in a La Niña year. It’s a bit early for an exact warm departure number. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted Monday at 02:15 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:15 PM 1 minute ago, EastonSN+ said: 100% agree. We even had April snow back in 2018 and a couple of good snow events in 2019 in March. Again March snowfall switches depending on the decade, where the 90s saw a lot of March now, the 2000s saw almost no March snow and a 2010s having a lot of March snow. We are back in a low snowfall decade for March. That being said it could still happen. I'll also take my chances with a SE ridge and warmer temps in Feb-better changes for the baroclinic zone to be further north/more storm chances 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted Monday at 02:16 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:16 PM 18 minutes ago, SACRUS said: NYC Jan 27 , 2004 : 10.3 inches of frigid snowfall That was a nice storm. I was in HS at the time and remember driving sleet in Long Beach that changed to heavy snow. I think Dix Hills had 14”. 03-04 was a great winter, frigid cold and 40”+ snow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allsnow Posted Monday at 02:19 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:19 PM 2 minutes ago, jm1220 said: That was a nice storm. I was in HS at the time and remember driving sleet in Long Beach that changed to heavy snow. I think Dix Hills had 14”. 03-04 was a great winter, frigid cold and 40”+ snow. Great winter one of my favorites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted Monday at 02:19 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:19 PM 1 minute ago, Brian5671 said: I'll also take my chances with a SE ridge and warmer temps in Feb-better changes for the baroclinic zone to be further north/more storm chances Completely agree. Also as Don mentioned the RNA is less of a factor starting mid-February which is just over 2 weeks away. Never understood the concept of winter ending on February 1st in a La Nina. It's just a Southeast ridge which all depends on the strength in is driven by how deep the RNA is. We do not know the specifics yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted Monday at 02:24 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:24 PM 9 minutes ago, Allsnow said: @bluewave Yeah, the warmer flow from Eastern Canada crossing the Great Lakes kept the Northeast much warmer than areas to our south. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SACRUS Posted Monday at 02:26 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:26 PM 2 minutes ago, bluewave said: Yeah, the warmer flow from Eastern Canada crossing the Great Lakes kept the Northeast much warmer than areas to our south. That area and back west into Midwest and plains will also see the larger warmth departures (turn around) through the first week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted Monday at 02:35 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:35 PM 11 minutes ago, SACRUS said: That area and back west into Midwest and plains will also see the larger warmth departures (turn around) through the first week. It’s an accomplishment these days getting two colder winter months in a row even if the slightly colder December was a result of the much warmer averages. This December would have been warmer than average using 81-10 normals. The last time all of our climate sites had 3 consecutive colder winter months was way back in 02-03. During 09-10 some stations had a warmer January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthShoreWx Posted Monday at 02:40 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:40 PM 20 minutes ago, jm1220 said: That was a nice storm. I was in HS at the time and remember driving sleet in Long Beach that changed to heavy snow. I think Dix Hills had 14”. 03-04 was a great winter, frigid cold and 40”+ snow. 14" here too. That's the one of of the few major storms where I'm pretty sure we were in the jackpot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted Monday at 02:42 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:42 PM Wasn’t it supposed to be very cold this week? Looks average at best now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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