January 2025

[bluewave]

18 minutes ago, Volcanic Winter said:

And the core of the cold dumping west of us absolutely has been a recurring theme. 

Yeah, it’s the same theme this month that we saw with the record cold going to our south and west back in February 2021. Notice the warmer departures in Maine also. Very difficult for cold to be focused over the Northeast these days. The last time the core of a record cold airmass was focused over the Northeast for a month was way back in February 2015. 
 

 

[LibertyBell]

4 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, it’s the same theme this month that we saw with the record cold going to our south and west back in February 2021. Notice the warmer departures in Maine also. Very difficult for cold to be focused over the Northeast these days. The last time the core of a record cold airmass was focused over the Northeast for a month was way back in February 2015. 
 

 

Chris is this because the oceans are warming more quickly than the land, therefore the cold is going farther to the west now?

[forkyfork]

6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

In the tweet, he said the climate has changed, but to what exactly? This isn't warming (it's not cooling either, this kind of thing happens every few decades.)

if he started being honest about climate change he would lose his supporters

[IrishRob17]

3 hours ago, IrishRob17 said:

-8.3 at the moment here 

-9 (-9.4) for the low, up to 7 now. 

[MANDA]

Amazing map.  You don't see something like this that often.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

2 hours ago, EastonSN+ said:

Here are the total of foot plus storms for Central Park....odd does not always match a KU for Central Park like 87.

This list is missing a lot of 12+ snows in Central Park. It lists 28 when there are actually 39 since 1870.

[EastonSN+]

1 minute ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

This list is missing a lot of 12+ snows in Central Park. It lists 28 when there are actually 39 since 1870.

This is directly from the national weather service. If you have a different list perhaps you can email them? Would be better if they are accurate.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

I know why, they are only including 12.0 inches plus for KU events.

 

I'd argue that it should be lowered to 8.0..... storms like April 1982 and March 1993 were most definitely KU events!

 

 

Your list prompted another question, among the big east coast cities (DCA, BWI, PHL, NYC, PVD, BOS), which has the most 20"+ snowstorms? I'm including PD2 because 19.8 can be rounded up to 20 and it was 25.5 at JFK anyway.... so that means NYC has had 8 20" snowstorms.  (JFK has 6 but their records only go back to 1960.)  I know at one point Baltimore had the most, is this still the case?

If you lowered the list to 8 inch storms there are 117 such storms in NYC since record keeping began in 1869.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

	8 inch Snowstorms
	Central Park in NYC
	(through January 21, 2025)
Ranking	Amount	Year & Date(s)
1	27.5	January 23, 2016
2	26.9	February 11-12, 2006
3	25.8	December 26-27, 1947
4	21.0	March 12-14, 1888
5	20.9	February 25-26, 2010
6	20.2	January 7-8, 1996
7	20.0	December 26-27, 2010
8	19.8	February 16-17, 2003
9	19.0	January 26-27, 2011
10	18.1	March 7-8, 1941
10	18.1	January 22-24, 1935
12	18.0	December 26, 1872
13	17.7	February 5-7, 1978
14	17.6	February 11-12, 1983
15	17.5	February 4-7, 1920
16	17.4	February 3-4, 1961
17	17.4	Jan 31-Feb1 2021
18	16.0	December 19-20, 1948
18	16.0	February 12-13, 1899
20	15.3	February 9-10, 1969
21	15.2	December 11-12, 1960
22	14.5	March 3-4, 1960
22	14.5	March 1-2, 1914
24	14.0	December 5-7, 2003
25	13.8	January 22-23, 2005
26	13.7	December 21-22, 1959
27	13.6	January 19-20, 1978
28	13.0	January 15-16, 1879
28	13.0	January 1-2, 1877
30	12.8	February 11, 1994
31	12.7	February 19, 1979
32	12.7	December 15, 1916
33	12.5	February 13-14 2014
34	12.5	February 7, 1967
35	12.5	January 12-13, 1964
36	12.5	February 20, 1921
37	12.0	December 30, 2000
38	12.0	February 9-10, 1926
39	12.0	March 15-16, 1896
40	11.8	March 20-21, 1958
41	11.6	March 18-19, 1956
42	11.5	January 2, 1925
43	11.5	January 21-22, 2014
44	11.4	December 24, 1912
45	11.4	February 8-9, 2013
46	11.2	December 26, 1933
47	11.0	February 3-4, 1876
48	11.0	January 24-25, 1905
49	11.0	February 4-5, 1907
50	10.9	December 19-20, 2009
51	10.8	February 4, 1995
52	10.7	February 20-21, 1947
53	10.7	February 16-17, 1996
54	10.6	March 13-14, 1993
55	10.5	December 16-17 2020
56	10.4	February 3-4, 1926
57	10.3	January 28, 2004
58	10.2	April 3-4, 1915
59	10.0	April 13, 1875
60	10.0	March 2, 1896
61	10.0	January 27-28, 1897
62	10.0	November 26-27, 1898
63	10.0	February 17, 1902
64	10.0	January 23-24, 1908
65	10.0	January 14-15, 1910
66	10.0	February 11, 1933
67	10.0	February 10, 2010
68	9.9	January 19-20, 1961
69	9.8	January 4, 2018
70	9.8	February 1, 1934
71	9.8	February 15-17, 1903
72	9.8	January 26-27, 2015
73	9.7	February 13-14, 1914
74	9.6	April 6, 1982
75	9.5	December 13-14, 1917
76	9.4	February 28-March 1, 1949
77	9.4	February 9, 2017
78	9.3	February 25-26, 1934
79	9.1	February 17-18, 1893
80	9.1	January 11-12, 2011
81	9.0	January 19, 1936
82	9.0	March 22, 1967
83	9.0	February 14-15, 1940
84	9.0	February 4-5, 1882
85	9.0	February 8-9, 1994
86	9.0	January 1, 1869
87	9.0	January 3-4, 1923
88	9.0	March 4, 1893
89	9.0	November 29-30, 1882
90	8.9	February 26-27, 1991
91	8.8	January 13-14. 1939
92	8.8	November 24-25, 1938
93	8.6	March 5, 1981
94	8.6	January 10-12, 1954
95	8.5	April 1, 1924
96	8.5	February 12, 1897
97	8.4	March 21, 2018
98	8.3	December 19-20, 1945
99	8.3	March 1-2, 2009
100	8.3	January 28-29 2022
101	8.1	January 22, 1987
102	8.1	December 5, 1886
103	8.0	February 1, 1929
104	8.0	February 3, 2014
105	8.0	December 25-26, 1909
106	8.0	December 3-4, 1957
107	8.0	February 10-11, 1883
108	8.0	February 25-26, 1894
109	8.0	February 5-6, 1908
110	8.0	February 8, 1870
111	8.0	Jannuarry 31, 1882
112	8.0	January 14, 1874
113	8.0	January 2-3, 1904
114	8.0	January 26-27 1871
115	8.0	January 27, 1873
116	8.0	Januay 25, 1891
117	8.0	March 17-18, 1892

[EastonSN+]

18 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Chris is this because the oceans are warming more quickly than the land, therefore the cold is going farther to the west now?

I was looking for some statistics but can't find it. I would have to imagine if it had something to do with ocean temperatures then this would always be the case as the water temperatures are always warmer than land. 

[EastonSN+]

Just now, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

	8 inch Snowstorms
	Central Park in NYC
	(through January 21, 2025)
Ranking	Amount	Year & Date(s)
1	27.5	January 23, 2016
2	26.9	February 11-12, 2006
3	25.8	December 26-27, 1947
4	21.0	March 12-14, 1888
5	20.9	February 25-26, 2010
6	20.2	January 7-8, 1996
7	20.0	December 26-27, 2010
8	19.8	February 16-17, 2003
9	19.0	January 26-27, 2011
10	18.1	March 7-8, 1941
10	18.1	January 22-24, 1935
12	18.0	December 26, 1872
13	17.7	February 5-7, 1978
14	17.6	February 11-12, 1983
15	17.5	February 4-7, 1920
16	17.4	February 3-4, 1961
17	17.4	Jan 31-Feb1 2021
18	16.0	December 19-20, 1948
18	16.0	February 12-13, 1899
20	15.3	February 9-10, 1969
21	15.2	December 11-12, 1960
22	14.5	March 3-4, 1960
22	14.5	March 1-2, 1914
24	14.0	December 5-7, 2003
25	13.8	January 22-23, 2005
26	13.7	December 21-22, 1959
27	13.6	January 19-20, 1978
28	13.0	January 15-16, 1879
28	13.0	January 1-2, 1877
30	12.8	February 11, 1994
31	12.7	February 19, 1979
32	12.7	December 15, 1916
33	12.5	February 13-14 2014
34	12.5	February 7, 1967
35	12.5	January 12-13, 1964
36	12.5	February 20, 1921
37	12.0	December 30, 2000
38	12.0	February 9-10, 1926
39	12.0	March 15-16, 1896
40	11.8	March 20-21, 1958
41	11.6	March 18-19, 1956
42	11.5	January 2, 1925
43	11.5	January 21-22, 2014
44	11.4	December 24, 1912
45	11.4	February 8-9, 2013
46	11.2	December 26, 1933
47	11.0	February 3-4, 1876
48	11.0	January 24-25, 1905
49	11.0	February 4-5, 1907
50	10.9	December 19-20, 2009
51	10.8	February 4, 1995
52	10.7	February 20-21, 1947
53	10.7	February 16-17, 1996
54	10.6	March 13-14, 1993
55	10.5	December 16-17 2020
56	10.4	February 3-4, 1926
57	10.3	January 28, 2004
58	10.2	April 3-4, 1915
59	10.0	April 13, 1875
60	10.0	March 2, 1896
61	10.0	January 27-28, 1897
62	10.0	November 26-27, 1898
63	10.0	February 17, 1902
64	10.0	January 23-24, 1908
65	10.0	January 14-15, 1910
66	10.0	February 11, 1933
67	10.0	February 10, 2010
68	9.9	January 19-20, 1961
69	9.8	January 4, 2018
70	9.8	February 1, 1934
71	9.8	February 15-17, 1903
72	9.8	January 26-27, 2015
73	9.7	February 13-14, 1914
74	9.6	April 6, 1982
75	9.5	December 13-14, 1917
76	9.4	February 28-March 1, 1949
77	9.4	February 9, 2017
78	9.3	February 25-26, 1934
79	9.1	February 17-18, 1893
80	9.1	January 11-12, 2011
81	9.0	January 19, 1936
82	9.0	March 22, 1967
83	9.0	February 14-15, 1940
84	9.0	February 4-5, 1882
85	9.0	February 8-9, 1994
86	9.0	January 1, 1869
87	9.0	January 3-4, 1923
88	9.0	March 4, 1893
89	9.0	November 29-30, 1882
90	8.9	February 26-27, 1991
91	8.8	January 13-14. 1939
92	8.8	November 24-25, 1938
93	8.6	March 5, 1981
94	8.6	January 10-12, 1954
95	8.5	April 1, 1924
96	8.5	February 12, 1897
97	8.4	March 21, 2018
98	8.3	December 19-20, 1945
99	8.3	March 1-2, 2009
100	8.3	January 28-29 2022
101	8.1	January 22, 1987
102	8.1	December 5, 1886
103	8.0	February 1, 1929
104	8.0	February 3, 2014
105	8.0	December 25-26, 1909
106	8.0	December 3-4, 1957
107	8.0	February 10-11, 1883
108	8.0	February 25-26, 1894
109	8.0	February 5-6, 1908
110	8.0	February 8, 1870
111	8.0	Jannuarry 31, 1882
112	8.0	January 14, 1874
113	8.0	January 2-3, 1904
114	8.0	January 26-27 1871
115	8.0	January 27, 1873
116	8.0	Januay 25, 1891
117	8.0	March 17-18, 1892

Where were you able to harvest this information? I have just been using the national weather service information.

[LibertyBell]

18 minutes ago, forkyfork said:

if he started being honest about climate change he would lose his supporters

He has me blocked and I have no idea who he even is lol and never even interacted with him before.

[LibertyBell]

3 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

Where were you able to harvest this information? I have just been using the national weather service information.

I'm amazed there's a specific list for 8 inch snowstorms at all.

[LibertyBell]

8 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

If you lowered the list to 8 inch storms there are 117 such storms in NYC since record keeping began in 1869.

wow thanks for the list, I had no idea there was a specific list for 8 inch snowstorms.

[FPizz]

-0.4 this morning.  Back to back months below zero, pretty rare in this area.

[anthonymm]

17 hours ago, Allsnow said:

The 20-30 inch storms don’t happen often enough in warm winters for me to prefer that type of outcome 

 

some of our misfortune this winter has been bad luck. 

Luck is something we really have not had. I mean come on New Orleans is about to have a higher seasonal total than us. That's nothing but terrible luck with the storm track.

[LibertyBell]

14 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

Where were you able to harvest this information? I have just been using the national weather service information.

90	8.9	February 26-27, 1991
91	8.8	January 13-14. 1939
92	8.8	November 24-25, 1938
93	8.6	March 5, 1981
94	8.6	January 10-12, 1954
95	8.5	April 1, 1924
96	8.5	February 12, 1897
97	8.4	March 21, 2018
98	8.3	December 19-20, 1945
99	8.3	March 1-2, 2009
100	8.3	January 28-29 2022
101	8.1	January 22, 1987

 

 

Interesting list, that very weird storm from 1991 was a big positive bust ( we were only supposed to get a frontal passage) and as you can see January 1987 makes the list as well as a few others we know.  Those two storms were the ONLY 8" snowstorms between February 1983 and March 1993 !

[LibertyBell]

7 minutes ago, anthonymm said:

Luck is something we really have not had. I mean come on New Orleans is about to have a higher seasonal total than us. That's nothing but terrible luck with the storm track.

terrible luck would be if we missed a storm by 25 miles not 500+ miles lol

[EastonSN+]

2 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

90	8.9	February 26-27, 1991
91	8.8	January 13-14. 1939
92	8.8	November 24-25, 1938
93	8.6	March 5, 1981
94	8.6	January 10-12, 1954
95	8.5	April 1, 1924
96	8.5	February 12, 1897
97	8.4	March 21, 2018
98	8.3	December 19-20, 1945
99	8.3	March 1-2, 2009
100	8.3	January 28-29 2022
101	8.1	January 22, 1987

 

 

Interesting list, that very weird storm from 1991 was a big positive bust ( we were only supposed to get a frontal passage) and as you can see January 1987 makes the list as well as a few others we know.  Those two storms were the ONLY 8" snowstorms between February 1983 and March 1993 !

Yeah I remember that frontal passage storm and channel 11 news saying it was a 1, 2 punch the first storm gave 2 in and the second storm we're supposed to give 4 and then we ended up with 8.

Regarding your second point of only two 8 inch storms, this is the reason the last 6 years have not shaken me, as I lived through the 80s and 90s. To me this feels like a repeat/nostalgia with regards to snowfall LOL. 

 

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

Yeah I remember that frontal passage storm and channel 11 news saying it was a 1, 2 punch the first storm gave 2 in and the second storm we're supposed to give 4 and then we ended up with 8.

Regarding your second point of only two 8 inch storms, this is the reason the last 6 years have not shaken me, as I lived through the 80s and 90s. To me this feels like a repeat/nostalgia with regards to snowfall LOL. 

 

This is like December 1989 a month later (and not as cold) but the good thing is nothing as warm as JFM 1990 is on the horizon.

 

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

18 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

Where were you able to harvest this information? I have just been using the national weather service information.

It's a list I've kept updated in Excel for years. I originally created it from the NWS site maybe 15 years ago and have updated it myself over time with every new storm that makes the list. I actually keep the list of all 6 inch plus storms for Central Park location. There are 196 such storms since 1869, more than 1 per year on average. We should have a celebration when the Park gets number 200. That may be difficult with the way they usually under measure. The last several years especially.

[LibertyBell]

Just now, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

It's a list I've kept updated in Excel for years. I originally created it from the NWS site maybe 15 years ago and have updated it myself over time with every new storm that makes the list. I actually keep the list of all 6 inch plus storms for Central Park location. There are 196 such storms since 1869, more than 1 per year on average. We should have a celebration when the Park gets number 200. That may be difficult with the way they usually under measure. The last several years especially.

Nice, could you post the full 6 inch list too, I'd like to save it!

[SACRUS]

 

10 / -4 off a low of 5. Clouds and cold.  

 

Very cold : 1/20 - 1/25 (-10 to -20 departures)
Moderation brief:   1/26 - 1/30 - near normal but storm activity increased with cold nearby

 

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

1 minute ago, LibertyBell said:

Nice, could you post the full 6 inch list too, I'd like to save it!

Yes will post it in a few.

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

It's a list I've kept updated in Excel for years. I originally created it from the NWS site maybe 15 years ago and have updated it myself over time with every new storm that makes the list. I actually keep the list of all 6 inch plus storms for Central Park location. There are 196 such storms since 1869, more than 1 per year on average. We should have a celebration when the Park gets number 200. That may be difficult with the way they usually under measure. The last several years especially.

it means we should be getting one 6-8 inch snowstorm every year, but it seems to be the rarest type of snowstorm now, we either get 1-3 inches or 10+ it seems.

 

[SACRUS]

 

Records:

Highs:

EWR: 62 (2006)
NYC: 63 (2006)
LGA: 64 (2006)
JKF: 61 (2006)


Lows:

EWR: -8 (1985)
NYC: -2 (1985)
LGA: -3 (1985)
JFK: -2 (1985)

 

Historical:

 

1863 - A severe coastal storm dropped heavy rain on the Fredericksburg area of Virginia. It disrupted a Union Army offensive in an ill famed "mud march." (David Ludlum)

 

1963: Up to 3" of snow falls on San Francisco, their heaviest since 1887. 

1982 - The second of two major snowstorms to hit southern Minnesota came to an end. Minneapolis received 20 inches of snow in 24 hours to break the previous record of 17 inches in 24 hours established just a few days earlier. A record 38 inches of snow covered the ground following the two storms, with drifts ten feet high. (David Ludlum)

1985 - Three days of snow squalls at Buffalo NY finally came to an end. The squalls, induced by relatively warm water in Lake Erie, produced 34 inches of snow at the International Airport, with up to 47 inches reported in the suburbs of Buffalo. The New York "blizzard of '85" left many counties disaster areas. (19th-21st) (Weather Channel) (Storm Data) President Reagan was sworn in for a second term in the coldest Inauguration Ceremony of record. Cold and wind resulted in wind chill readings as much as 30 degrees below zero. (Sandra and TI Richard Sanders - 1987)

1985: Jacksonville, Florida, recorded its all-time record low of 7 degrees. Macon, Georgia, had its coldest day ever with a temperature of 6 degrees.  It was the coldest Inauguration day in history as President Reagan is sworn in for a second term during cold and winds that resulted in wind chill readings of 30 degrees below zero. Because of the bitter cold temperatures, many outdoor Inauguration events were canceled, and President Reagan was sworn in the Capitol Rotunda.

1987 - Low pressure over Minnesota produced high winds in the Northern Plains Region. Winds gusted to 66 mph at Rapid City SD, and reached 70 mph at Belle Fourche SD. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1988 - High pressure over northern Nevada and low pressure off the coast of southern California combined to produce high winds in the southwestern U.S. Wind gusts in the San Francisco area reached 70 mph at Fremont. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1989 - Cold and snow prevailed in the northeastern U.S. Up to 13 inches of snow was reported between Woodford and Searsburg in Vermont. Montpelier VT reported a wind chill reading of 42 degrees below zero. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

1990 - Unseasonably warm weather prevailed across the state of Florida. Eight cities reported record high temperatures for the date, including West Palm Beach with a reading of 86 degrees. Rain in southern New England changed to freezing rain, then to sleet, and then to heavy snow during the late morning. Most of Massachusetts was blanketed with 6 to 10 inches of snow. (National Weather Summary) (Storm Data)

 

1999: A major tornado outbreak occurred from the southwest into central and northeast Arkansas during the afternoon and evening. In the Little Rock Area, 30 tornadoes tracked across 15 counties. Homes and businesses were damaged or destroyed in Little Rock, Beebe, McRae, and areas farther north and east. Eight deaths resulted from the tornadoes, with 140 to 150 injuries also reported.

[anthonymm]

8 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Don did the pattern produce in Philly? I ask because it seems like there was a donut hole from NYC to Philly because we were sandwiched between two tracks-- neither of which benefit us-- and this is something that seems to happen quite often with a fast Pacific flow.

 

Yes Philly-NYC corridor was the suck zone. Tracks to our south, tracks to our north, suck zone here. I chalk it up to shitty luck honestly. If we dont score in February somehow this is gonna be another < 10" year for central park. For the record, central park had never had 2 consecutive single digit winters (22-24 was unprecedented), so if it happens again this winter the 20s are gonna easily exceed the 80s in terms of snow drought.

[SACRUS]

 

NYC:

 

Jan 21, 2001 :   6 inches of snowfall.

 

Jan 21, 2014 : 11 inches of snowfall.

[SACRUS]

 

Jan 2014 (20-21)

 

[SACRUS]

 

What a radar image - would have been interesting to see the 1895 storm satellite and radar and how it compared to this.

 

 

The visible satellite tomorrow will be very memorable with the snow covered Gulf states.