OBS for NYC CP first measurable minor snowfall? 11A Fri 12/20-11A 12/21, embedded with surrounding area periodic minor accumulative snow

[brooklynwx99]

about 3.1” in Morristown! what a nice little event 

can’t ask for more in late December

[hudsonvalley21]

1 hour ago, IrishRob17 said:

Similar ratio here, 3.3" melted down to .22" of liquid giving me 15:1. 

3.5” will do it here. Just cleaned up outside before this stuff hard freezes up later. Forecast low of 10 tonight.

[sussexcountyobs]

Getting some light lake effect snow flurries. Breezy. 21.9°

[psv88]

1 hour ago, WestBabylonWeather said:

Same in babylon. 2-3” it looks like. Nothing on street.

That’s crazy. Plows going by all morning here

[Dark Star]

3 hours ago, MJO812 said:

Should be a good thing since we haven't had snowfall in December in years.

or at least we did see some snow...

[sussexcountyobs]

Saw alot of skiers/snowboarders on highway this morning with NY plates heading to Mt. Creek. Amazing the increase of people from down below when they see snow in their back yard.

[steve392]

Winds are really starting to howl.  Lots of blowing snow at my house and at work.

[MikeStorms]

3 inches in Ossining, 32 miles north of NYC on the Hudson.


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[wdrag]

45 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

This is more of a trivia thing Walt, but when was the last time we had an inch of snow between the first day of winter and Christmas and when it happened what percentage of the time did it result in a white Christmas?

 

Am not following up.  I will say this. This event is the way I more frequently remember in the 50s60s. Blowing drifting cold.  This is a more reasonable start to winter.   

[psv88]

Snowing again and 29

[Stormlover74]

49 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

This is more of a trivia thing Walt, but when was the last time we had an inch of snow between the first day of winter and Christmas and when it happened what percentage of the time did it result in a white Christmas?

 

98 had 1-3" of snow on Christmas eve morning with just enough left to qualify for a white Christmas 

[RU848789]

3 hours ago, wxman said:

Elevation helps a lot in these marginal temp events.   Was in downtown Somerville last night and virtually nothing OTG.  On the hill the ground was completely covered. 

At roughly 3.5F per 1000 feet in elevation, you're probably close to 1.5F colder than folks at 100'.  Certainly makes a difference.  

[winterwx21]

Took a ride out to Hunterdon County to go to Sweet Melissa Patisserie (the best bakery in NJ IMO) to bring home some dessert for tonight, and it was really nice out there (they got over 4 inches). It's always beautiful driving through the country after a snowfall .... snow falling out of the trees and beautiful scenes with the farms covered with snow. 

Anyway back here at home I'm already starting to see some patches of bare ground in the sunny areas. A couple inches of snow doesn't last long when it's sunny with temps near freezing, but of course the snow will stay on the ground for days in spots that get more shade. 

[jm1220]

42 minutes ago, psv88 said:

Snowing again and 29

So far it hasn’t even hit 30. 

[the_other_guy]

It’s amazing how quickly snow melts when you’re driving through the highways of Queens versus just north of the Bronx where it looks like it just fell.

 

I saw grass in parts of Queens

[Wxoutlooksblog]

4 hours ago, RU848789 said:

Anything from Central Park yet?  No PNS yet from NWS-NYC...

I saw 1.8" on the PNS.

WX/PT

84
NOUS41 KOKX 211403
PNSOKX
CTZ005>012-NJZ002-004-006-103>108-NYZ067>075-078>081-176>179-220152-

Public Information Statement
National Weather Service New York NY
903 AM EST Sat Dec 21 2024

...SNOWFALL REPORTS...

Location                     Amount    Time/Date       Provider

...Connecticut...

...Fairfield County...
Stamford 1.0 S               2.5 in    0800 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Ridgefield 2.4 NNE           1.7 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Bethel                       1.5 in    0724 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Fairfield                    1.5 in    0730 AM 12/21   Public
Norwalk                      1.5 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Ridgefield                   1.5 in    0650 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Monroe                       1.0 in    0600 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Bridgeport Airport           0.8 in    0700 AM 12/21   Official NWS Obs
Brookfield                   0.8 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS

...Middlesex County...
Higganum                     1.0 in    0800 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Clinton                      0.8 in    0736 AM 12/21   Broadcast Media
Durham                       0.5 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS

...New Haven County...
Naugatuck                    0.7 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Madison Center 1.3 N         0.5 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS

...New London County...
Pawcatuck                    0.7 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Norwich                      0.5 in    0600 AM 12/21   COCORAHS

...New Jersey...

...Bergen County...
Oakland                      4.0 in    0800 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Montvale 1.8 ESE             3.8 in    0800 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Fair Lawn                    3.0 in    0714 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
North Arlington              2.5 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS

...Essex County...
Essex Fells                  4.5 in    0700 AM 12/21   Public
West Orange                  4.0 in    0700 AM 12/21   Public
Livingston                   3.4 in    0820 AM 12/21   Public
Montclair                    3.2 in    0730 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Maplewood                    2.6 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
1 NNW Newark Airport         2.2 in    0700 AM 12/21   Official NWS Obs

...Hudson County...
Harrison                     3.0 in    0800 AM 12/21   COOP
1 WSW Hoboken                2.9 in    0800 AM 12/21   COCORAHS

...Passaic County...
Little Falls                 4.0 in    0825 AM 12/21   Public
Little Falls                 3.7 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Hawthorne                    3.4 in    0740 AM 12/21   Trained Spotter

...Union County...
Scotch Plains                3.4 in    0720 AM 12/21   Public
Cranford Twp 0.6 NNW         3.3 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Westfield                    3.3 in    0630 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Plainfield                   2.8 in    0700 AM 12/21   Trained Spotter
Westfield 0.8 WSW            2.8 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS

...New York...

...Bronx County...
1 NW Mott Haven              2.0 in    0550 AM 12/21   Public

...Kings County...
Midwood                      2.7 in    0740 AM 12/21   Broadcast Media

...Nassau County...
1 ENE Glen Cove              2.2 in    0619 AM 12/21   Public
Hicksville 1.4 SSE           1.9 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Massapequa Park              1.3 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Syosset                      1.0 in    0732 AM 12/21   COOP

...New York (Manhattan) County...
New York                     1.8 in    0700 AM 12/21   Official NWS Obs

...Orange County...
Warwick                      4.8 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Warwick 3.9 W                4.6 in    0600 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Port Jervis                  4.5 in    0630 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
3 NNE Unionville             4.2 in    0430 AM 12/21   Public
Monroe                       4.1 in    0620 AM 12/21   Trained Spotter
Greenwood Lake               4.0 in    0800 AM 12/21   COCORAHS

...Putnam County...
Cold Spring                  2.7 in    0715 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Nelsonville 0.3 S            2.5 in    0715 AM 12/21   COCORAHS

...Queens County...
Little Neck 0.3 SE           2.7 in    0730 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
1 W Elmhurst                 2.0 in    0640 AM 12/21   Public
Howard Beach                 2.0 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
1 E Jackson Heights          2.0 in    0700 AM 12/21   Official NWS Obs
NYC/JFK                      1.8 in    0700 AM 12/21   Official NWS Obs

...Richmond County...
1 E New Dorp                 3.0 in    0730 AM 12/21   Public

...Rockland County...
Stony Point                  3.0 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS

...Suffolk County...
1 NW Dix Hills               2.1 in    0710 AM 12/21   NWS Employee
Commack 1.3 SW               2.0 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Centerport                   1.9 in    0700 AM 12/21   COOP
Islip Airport                1.9 in    0700 AM 12/21   Official NWS Obs
East Quogue                  1.0 in    0830 AM 12/21   NWS Employee
Mount Sinai                  1.0 in    0800 AM 12/21   COOP
Blue Point 0.3 ENE           0.8 in    0700 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
Upton                        0.6 in    0700 AM 12/21   Official NWS Obs
Baiting Hollow               0.5 in    0700 AM 12/21   COOP

...Westchester County...
Shrub Oak                    2.0 in    0700 AM 12/21   COOP
Pelham                       1.5 in    0745 AM 12/21   Public
South Salem                  1.3 in    0715 AM 12/21   COCORAHS
&&

[Stormlover74]

Updated pns

https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=okx&issuedby=OKX&product=PNS

Ewr 2.5 lga 2.8. Central Park 1.8

[LibertyBell]

9 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

Updated pns

https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=okx&issuedby=OKX&product=PNS

Ewr 2.5 lga 2.8. Central Park 1.8

Nice 10 AM final update has JFK at 2.5" and many spots in Nassau County including the south shore at 3.0"-3.1"

[Stormlover74]

3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

Nice 10 AM final update has JFK at 2.5" and many spots in Nassau County including the south shore at 3.0"-3.1"

Meanwhile as expected central park reported snow but had no additional accumulation 

[jm1220]

3 minutes ago, Stormlover74 said:

Meanwhile as expected central park reported snow but had no additional accumulation 

And they’re the low total as usual. Other places in Manhattan had 2-3”. Boggles my mind how it’s used as NYC’s official total. 

[SnowGoose69]

5 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

And they’re the low total as usual. Other places in Manhattan had 2-3”. Boggles my mind how it’s used as NYC’s official total. 

Oddly enough those totals at JFK/LGA seem somewhat suspicious to me at same time.  I'm not sure how LGA added one more inch and JFK 0.7 more after 7am.  

[donsutherland1]

2 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

This is more of a trivia thing Walt, but when was the last time we had an inch of snow between the first day of winter and Christmas and when it happened what percentage of the time did it result in a white Christmas?

 

1998. 2" fell on 12/24/1998. Although the snow depth figure is missing from 12/25, the high and low on 12/24 was 32-23 and it was 33-24 on 12/25. Almost certainly, snow depth was 1" or more on 12/25. Before than, 1983.

[LibertyBell]

7 minutes ago, SnowGoose69 said:

Oddly enough those totals at JFK/LGA seem somewhat suspicious to me at same time.  I'm not sure how LGA added one more inch and JFK 0.7 more after 7am.  

It was snowing pretty hard here for awhile between 7 am and 8:30 am and abruptly ended at 9 am when the sun came out.

Do we have the updated liquid equivalents for all these stations too?

[LibertyBell]

15 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

And they’re the low total as usual. Other places in Manhattan had 2-3”. Boggles my mind how it’s used as NYC’s official total. 

Even Brooklyn and Staten Island totals are near 3"

[ILoveWinter]

19 minutes ago, jm1220 said:

And they’re the low total as usual. Other places in Manhattan had 2-3”. Boggles my mind how it’s used as NYC’s official total. 

Was clearly above 2”, I’d say 2.5 and I am close to the Park.

[LibertyBell]

16 minutes ago, donsutherland1 said:

1998. 2" fell on 12/24/1998. Although the snow depth figure is missing from 12/25, the high and low on 12/24 was 32-23 and it was 33-24 on 12/25. Almost certainly, snow depth was 1" or more on 12/25. Before than, 1983.

Are these two good analogs for this winter, Don?  Both were la ninas that also came after el ninos, although they were much stronger than this one (and the la ninas those two winters were also much stronger.)

A few moderate events but no big ones.

[Yanksfan]

3” in Nutley township. Hopefully a good omen for this winter. Boy we need it.

[MJO812]

Finished with 2.7 here. Lovely start to winter.

[MANDA]

13 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Finished with 2.7 here. Lovely start to winter.

Very happy for you !  Nobody wanted this more than you.  Glad you got it finally.

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

1 hour ago, Stormlover74 said:

Meanwhile as expected central park reported snow but had no additional accumulation 

It's an old story and a very annoying one. Nothings ever done about it.