OBS for NYC CP first measurable minor snowfall? 11A Fri 12/20-11A 12/21, embedded with surrounding area periodic minor accumulative snow

[rclab]

3 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

This is more of a trivia thing Walt, but when was the last time we had an inch of snow between the first day of winter and Christmas and when it happened what percentage of the time did it result in a white Christmas?

 

Hello Liberty. I was a college freshman and I believe a 4+ inch storm occurred either on the 23rd or 24th 1964 or 5. As I am nearing the end of my 8th decade and the event I am recollecting occurred 6 decades ago …. It’s probably as reliable as a present long range forecast. Nice to read your posts again, as always ….

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

1 hour ago, Stormlover74 said:

Updated pns

https://forecast.weather.gov/product.php?site=okx&issuedby=OKX&product=PNS

Ewr 2.5 lga 2.8. Central Park 1.8

Ridiculous but ive grown numb to it. 

[LibertyBell]

18 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

Ridiculous but ive grown numb to it. 

JFK 2.5" too

Central Park brings up the rear yet again....

 

[rclab]

26 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

Ridiculous but ive grown numb to it. 

Agreed CPcms. My postage stamp also seemed to have greater depth. Although my measurement was visual and I kept all my yard windows tightly sealed. I try not to contribute to the UHI effect in my small inner city space. Stay well. As always ….

[donsutherland1]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

Are these two good analogs for this winter, Don?  Both were la ninas that also came after el ninos, although they were much stronger than this one (and the la ninas those two winters were also much stronger.)

A few moderate events but no big ones.

Doubtful. Both were strong La Niña events than the current neutral-cool/borderine La Niña. 1998-99 was a strong La Niña event.

[lee59]

Ended up with 2.6 inches of snow last night, more than expected. 3.5 inches for the season.

[sussexcountyobs]

1 hour ago, MJO812 said:

Finished with 2.7 here. Lovely start to winter.

Nice! Happy for you. You deserved it. Move to Sussex County, NJ and end your agony. Lol!!!

[NEG NAO]

1 hour ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

Ridiculous but ive grown numb to it. 

how come Central Park most of the time has the lowest amounts ?

[LibertyBell]

10 minutes ago, NEG NAO said:

how come Central Park most of the time has the lowest amounts ?

Same reason they don't trim the vegetation to have more accurate summer temps.

Laziness.

[rgwp96]

7 hours ago, JerseyWx said:

4 inches on the dot here.  Another over performing system.  Only expected 2 inches at most. @rgwp96

You beat me by .1 lol

[RU848789]

With about 1.6MM people in Manhattan, let's guess that 1% live close enough to walk easily to CPK in the snow, which would be 16,000 people and let's assume 1% of them care about the CPK snow measurement, which is 160 people.  Surely one of those folks (probably on this board, lol) must be curious enough to walk into CPK at the end of a snowfall to measure the snow on a small board they placed somewhere in the park on the grass away from concrete.  No?  

[JerseyWx]

5 hours ago, rgwp96 said:

You beat me by .1 lol

Oh wow, elevation ftw lol.

[SRRTA22]

I didn't expect to wake up to see a snow covered ground.... Pleasant surprise 

[ILoveWinter]

12 hours ago, RU848789 said:

With about 1.6MM people in Manhattan, let's guess that 1% live close enough to walk easily to CPK in the snow, which would be 16,000 people and let's assume 1% of them care about the CPK snow measurement, which is 160 people.  Surely one of those folks (probably on this board, lol) must be curious enough to walk into CPK at the end of a snowfall to measure the snow on a small board they placed somewhere in the park on the grass away from concrete.  No?  

I am close to the park and while I didn't go there to measure, I am confident that we were around 2.5"

[CPcantmeasuresnow]

On 12/21/2024 at 8:37 PM, RU848789 said:

With about 1.6MM people in Manhattan, let's guess that 1% live close enough to walk easily to CPK in the snow, which would be 16,000 people and let's assume 1% of them care about the CPK snow measurement, which is 160 people.  Surely one of those folks (probably on this board, lol) must be curious enough to walk into CPK at the end of a snowfall to measure the snow on a small board they placed somewhere in the park on the grass away from concrete.  No?  

I've suggested it to them many times through the years. 
 

Several years ago Upton got the conservancy in Central Park to take the measurements and for 3-4 years they were pretty accurate. I'm not sure who's been doing it the last four years but it's  been terrible, almost always lower than all surrounding stations.
 

You may remember several years ago Lonnie Quinn the channel 2 meteorologist went to the park himself to measure when he knew the measurement in the park was way off. I believe central Park measured 3 inches even from the event and he went there several hours after the snow had stopped and compression had begun and still measured 4 inches and change. That's  how bad it is. Ridiculous when you think about it. 
 

I emailed Upton about it this morning. No response yet. They have answered in the past though, and they do acknowledge it is a problem, however they never seem to permanently fix it. 

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said:

I've suggested it to them many times through the years. 
 

Several years ago Upton got the conservancy in Central Park to take the measurements and for 3-4 years they were pretty accurate. I'm not sure who's been doing it the last four years but it's  been terrible, almost always lower than all surrounding stations.
 

You may remember several years ago Lonnie Quinn the channel 2 meteorologist went to the park himself to measure when he knew the measurement in the park was way off. I believe central Park measured 3 inches even from the event and he went there several hours after the snow had stopped and compression had begun and still measured 4 inches and change. That's  how bad it is. Ridiculous when you think about it. 
 

I emailed Upton about it this morning. No response yet. They have answered in the past though, and they do acknowledge it is a problem, however they never seem to permanently fix it. 

Their summer temperature issues are a problem too.  They should keep all temperature and snowfall measurements at LGA as the standard.  Our airports have at least a 60 year climate record history, it's plenty long enough.  Plus all airport climate records should be used as the standard for consistency.  It's what they do in other cities.

 

[The 4 Seasons]

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