Joker January

[ineedsnow]

2 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

Some flurries around now. Congrats cape.

Getting random flakes here.. beaches are doing good

[wx2fish]

9 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said:

actually … PVD and BOS are both -1 right now. 

MHT and CON are -1 to -2 too. Last couple of days evened out the departures after BOS was running a couple degrees colder relative to normal. Maybe call it seasonably cold locally.

To put the last couple Jans in perspective...MHT is running 10F colder than Jan 2023 and 6F colder than Jan 2024. Avg high temp mtd this Jan is 32.3F and the Avg T in Jan 2023 was 34.7F! So the highs this month are running colder than the avg T in 2023. Funny thing is that month as torched as Jan 2023 and Jan 2024 were both had considerably more snow mtd. 

[Patrick-02540]

Low of 6.  1/2 mile down the hill, -2.4.

[HoarfrostHubb]

Not nearly as cold in MBY as the previous few days... 6F for the low.  Still chilly, but no big deal

[SJonesWX]

13 hours ago, Torch Tiger said:

We just don't know know about the D11-12 system. Maybe it'll be a big 'un?

what we DO know is it's well into February by then and also sun angle season/ issues; that we know.

beer?

Day 11 is Feb 2. Feb 2 is the second day of the month. In no world is Feb 2 "well into February", not to mention the fact that on Feb 2 there are no "sun angle/season issues". 

but you know this already. i should know better than to respond to one of your many troll posts

[Patrick-02540]

20 minutes ago, SJonesWX said:

beer?

Day 11 is Feb 2. Feb 2 is the second day of the month. In no world is Feb 2 "well into February", not to mention the fact that on Feb 2 there are no "sun angle/season issues". 

but you know this already. i should know better than to respond to one of your many troll posts

There's a passive/aggressive aspect to it.  I have noticed that in many posts. 

[dendrite]

CON Jan normals have gone from 29.8/7.4/18.6 to 31.6/12.9/22.3. A climb of 3.7F in the last 30 years.

So I’m a little indifferent to a 2F or 3F BN Jan in current times considering it would’ve been AN when I was growing up in the 90s. -10s there should be par. 

[CoastalWx]

Would be nice to get something next week to work out even if it's 1-2". Would be nice to freshen up any damage to the remaining pack we have.

[dendrite]

45 minutes ago, SJonesWX said:

beer?

Day 11 is Feb 2. Feb 2 is the second day of the month. In no world is Feb 2 "well into February", not to mention the fact that on Feb 2 there are no "sun angle/season issues". 

but you know this already. i should know better than to respond to one of your many troll posts

You’re not factoring in 28 days and Punxsutawney though. Phil is ending this shit early. 

[Great Snow 1717]

8 minutes ago, dendrite said:

CON Jan normals have gone from 29.8/7.4/18.6 to 31.6/12.9/22.3. A climb of 3.7F in the last 30 years.

So I’m a little indifferent to a 2F or 3F BN Jan in current times considering it would’ve been AN when I was growing up in the 90s. -10s there should be par. 

I've long thought that the entire dataset should be used for determining averages.......

[weatherwiz]

Who cares if cold is "normal" or that -10 or -15 isn't uncommon...IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACK THAT IT SUCKS!!!!!

Normal can suck too

79°F are NORMAL in Florida during the summer but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck for those who hate it.

110°F is NORMAL in Phoenix and Las Vegas during the summer but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck for them.

The New York Jets sucking is NORMAL but that doesn't make it any less painful for Jets fans each year. 

[Great Snow 1717]

49 minutes ago, SJonesWX said:

beer?

Day 11 is Feb 2. Feb 2 is the second day of the month. In no world is Feb 2 "well into February", not to mention the fact that on Feb 2 there are no "sun angle/season issues". 

but you know this already. i should know better than to respond to one of your many troll posts

My home faces to the SW and I am already noticing a bit of "sun angle issues". For example Tuesday and Wednesday, despite the cold there was melting of the snow and ice on the driveway. 

[Great Snow 1717]

3 minutes ago, weatherwiz said:

Who cares if cold is "normal" or that -10 or -15 isn't uncommon...IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACK THAT IT SUCKS!!!!!

Normal can suck too

79°F are NORMAL in Florida during the summer but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck for those who hate it.

110°F is NORMAL in Phoenix and Las Vegas during the summer but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck for them.

The New York Jets sucking is NORMAL but that doesn't make it any less painful for Jets fans each year. 

The point is/was is that "normal "really isn't the true normal because of the use of 30 year averages...it makes no sense to use a 30 year period to determine "normal"

[dendrite]

11 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said:

I've long thought that the entire dataset should be used for determining averages.......

Well I think it’s okay to do it this way. Times and climate change. At some point, what thy oxen felt during the Civil War shouldn’t have an effect on what we should expect today. But 30 years seems short to me. I think 50 would be better. 

[weatherwiz]

1 minute ago, Great Snow 1717 said:

The point is/was is that "normal "really isn't the true normal because of the use of 30 year averages...it makes no sense to use a 30 year period to determine "normal"

I'm not a fan of comparing everything to 30-year averages either...or at least in a sense of having that be the #1 gospel to adhere to. If we're going to compare current to a 30 year period then it should also be compared to a much longer term average. 

[dendrite]

10 minutes ago, weatherwiz said:

Who cares if cold is "normal" or that -10 or -15 isn't uncommon...IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACK THAT IT SUCKS!!!!!

Normal can suck too

79°F are NORMAL in Florida during the summer but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck for those who hate it.

110°F is NORMAL in Phoenix and Las Vegas during the summer but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck for them.

The New York Jets sucking is NORMAL but that doesn't make it any less painful for Jets fans each year. 

None of these things suck as much as the Bruins. 

[Great Snow 1717]

Just now, dendrite said:

Well I think it’s okay to do it this way. Times and climate change. At some point, what thy oxen felt during the Civil War shouldn’t have an effect on what we should expect today. But 30 years seems short to me. I think 50 would be better. 

I'd much rather if the entire dataset was used. Doing so would allow for some climate change deniers to fully understand the impact of climate change.

[weatherwiz]

1 minute ago, dendrite said:

None of these things suck as much as the Bruins. 

This is true. They are extremely frustrating.

I also like your idea of using 50 year versus 30 year.

[CoastalWx]

14 minutes ago, weatherwiz said:

Who cares if cold is "normal" or that -10 or -15 isn't uncommon...IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACK THAT IT SUCKS!!!!!

Normal can suck too

79°F are NORMAL in Florida during the summer but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck for those who hate it.

110°F is NORMAL in Phoenix and Las Vegas during the summer but that doesn't mean it doesn't suck for them.

The New York Jets sucking is NORMAL but that doesn't make it any less painful for Jets fans each year. 

Put on some weight, bitch.

[Great Snow 1717]

Just now, weatherwiz said:

This is true. They are extremely frustrating.

I also like your idea of using 50 year versus 30 year.

Doing so for a site such as Boston would at the very least exclude the "cold" 60's...

[CoastalWx]

Even without CC, KBOS will be warmer than it was in the 60s. Urban sprawl is much more pronounced in the area. 

[weatherwiz]

2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Put on some weight, bitch.

It's too hard  

[Great Snow 1717]

3 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Even without CC, KBOS will be warmer than it was in the 60s. Urban sprawl is much more pronounced in the area. 

Yes, that is a contributing factor.

[dendrite]

Should we include data from the last glacial maximum 18kya if we had it too? How about the Medieval warm period?

We still have long term averages out there. It’s just a different dataset from the daily and monthly norms. 

[weatherwiz]

2 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said:

Doing so for a site such as Boston would at the very least exclude the "cold" 60's...

I do wish when looking at the climatology instead of just comparing to the 30 year average it would also list additional periods. But it is what it is

[weatherwiz]

1 minute ago, dendrite said:

Should we include data from the last glacial maximum 18kya if we had it too? How about the Medieval warm period?

We still have long term averages out there. It’s just a different dataset from the daily and monthly norms. 

I would be fine if we had like a 50 year and then a longer term...like here they have 1895-2000 https://psl.noaa.gov/data/usclimdivs/

but obviously that 1895-2000 would be adjusted. 

[OceanStWx]

The 30 year number was chosen because it is long enough to smooth out short term fluctuation from patterns (ENSO, volcanic eruptions, etc), but also short enough to capture real changes to an area's climate.

If you used the entire data set for normal, it's just going to be a trend line up towards warmer. If you use smaller chunks you can catch time periods that may have cooled or been wetter. It also is  the WMO standard.

[OceanStWx]

4 minutes ago, dendrite said:

Should we include data from the last glacial maximum 18kya if we had it too? How about the Medieval warm period?

We still have long term averages out there. It’s just a different dataset from the daily and monthly norms. 

I want to know what the dewpoint was over Kevin's great great great grandfather's wheat field. 

[mahk_webstah]

21 minutes ago, dendrite said:

None of these things suck as much as the Bruins. 

And the cowboys 

[dendrite]

4 minutes ago, OceanStWx said:

I want to know what the dewpoint was over Kevin's great great great grandfather's wheat field. 

George washington had a June 28 freeze around his sycamore in 1774 so I should hold off on the peppers until at least June 10.