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27 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Only way for SNE to see decent snow from the 1/6-7 threat is for a partial phase with TPV. If we can phase one of the spokes of energy then maybe it had a shot but we haven’t really seen those solutions…a couple runs have come close but nothing that leaves you waiting on the edge of your seat for next model run. 

I'll give Kevin credit, a fully 2 out of 100 ensemble members bring advisory snow to ORH. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.

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1 minute ago, OceanStWx said:

I'll give Kevin credit, a fully 2 out of 100 ensemble members bring advisory snow to ORH. So he's got that going for him, which is nice.

Walt noted the GEFS also lessened the confluence to the north allowing a north bump potentially. I don’t see why 1-3” or something isn’t possible 

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52 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

We’ve been saying this for days, and were mocked for it.

Hope everyone enjoys the next 14-21 days of cool and dry 

It’s possible we get nothing, but the large scale features argue for an increased probability of big snows in January. If we get unlucky and whiff on every threat so be it, but I like my chances. Give me the cold and I’ll take my chances with precip. 

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2 minutes ago, dryslot said:

Pretty thin up there, Rode to the forks a couple times but rode mainly the Eustis, Rangeley and Pittsburg corridor last winter.

Yea last winter was pretty bad. Record low snow for the sledding season. Pretty Sad they received more snow in April than the month of Feb in 2024. This pattern needs to change at some point.

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For the 11th threat, we continue to see the models flip flop. The most recent runs have the energy buried out west so it never gets out ahead of the northern energy, leading to an out to sea solution. Yesterday had a 951 MB low plowing into NNE on the gfs. It will continue to go back and forth over the next week. I don’t want to see the low plowing into NNE, but I am hoping the models converge on the solutions where the energy is ejected faster so we have a shot. That’s a legitimate big storm potential. If that storm gets buried out west the cold and dry idea will end up being correct, and we will have to wait until mid month and beyond. As for the 6th…. I’m not holding out any hope for that one with confluence modeled over New England. Just no room for that low to come up the coast.

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7 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Walt noted the GEFS also lessened the confluence to the north allowing a north bump potentially. I don’t see why 1-3” or something isn’t possible 

Well, almost anything is possible, but if you were a forecaster who was responsible for a "public" forecast, how would you word your forecast?  Is the possibility high enough to insert into the forecast???  You need to quantify the potential for the public get a sense of confidence?  How would you quantify the threat for 1-3" on Monday?  Is it great enough to insert into a public forecast?  And remember, once you say the possibility exists for 1 to 3", the vast majority of the public, only see the word Snow and  3"??? Is the potential high enough to insert into the forecast?  I'm ok with saying a "low-grade" risk of some light snow exist but would not mention any amounts.

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2 minutes ago, FXWX said:

Well, almost anything is possible, but if you were a forecaster who was responsible for a "public" forecast, how would you word your forecast?  Is the possibility high enough to insert into the forecast???  You need to quantify the potential for the public get a sense of confidence?  How would you quantify the threat for 1-3" on Monday?  Is it great enough to insert into a public forecast?  And remember, once you say the possibility exists for 1 to 3", the vast majority of the public, only see the word Snow and  3"??? Is the potential high enough to insert into the forecast?  I'm ok with saying a "low-grade" risk of some light snow exist but would not mention any amounts.

The chance seems great enough to mention . If you issue a partly cloudy forecast and the north trends continue , it’s not a good look to the public. So you’ve got to acknowledge in a forecast this may happen , but will need to monitor birth trends 

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3 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

The chance seems great enough to mention . If you issue a partly cloudy forecast and the north trends continue , it’s not a good look to the public. So you’ve got to acknowledge in a forecast this may happen , but will need to monitor birth trends 

What north trend? 

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59 minutes ago, TauntonBlizzard2013 said:

 

Negativity has been right though. Facts and results matter.

It's fine to be factual and correct. But when you put it in a way that's so negative, most people don't want to hear that. I think we all get when things really suck, but to sit there smear it in and talk about the s*** winter is going to be doesn't help things going forward. For me I can't stand negativity. It's not good for anyone around you and it's not good for yourself.

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37 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Walt noted the GEFS also lessened the confluence to the north allowing a north bump potentially. I don’t see why 1-3” or something isn’t possible 

You're really stretching now. Trust me, we wanted as much as you do. But at this point, it's dead in the water. Things can change, we still have 6 days so I can't say the threat is completely gone. But right now it is

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1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said:

Only way for SNE to see decent snow from the 1/6-7 threat is for a partial phase with TPV. If we can phase one of the spokes of energy then maybe it had a shot but we haven’t really seen those solutions…a couple runs have come close but nothing that leaves you waiting on the edge of your seat for next model run. 

Look, obviously I don't really know anything.  I just feel like things are jumping around on the models for a reason.  I also ask:

1. Does strong confluence/blocking tend to over or under-perform?

2. Do strong vorts tend to over or under-perform?

Plenty of time to trend  1/6-7 and 1/10-12 even though the 1st one won't get up here, it might trend to get a chunk of SNE with accumulating/plowable.  We've seen that a million times, and this is where Kevin is right.

I implore all to not succumb to misery just yet.

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1 hour ago, CoastalWx said:

Yeah but you have to acknowledge the possibility since models from time to time have explicitly showed this. Trust me,  nobody is frustrated more than me, but I also see how something 10 days out is a possibility. You can’t just toss it and say too much blocking. It would be more correct to acknowledge that it makes it more difficult based on how the pattern is evolving,  but it’s not a 0.0% chance.

 

1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said:

Yes but you have been ultra negative on many threats that crushed you in the past. That’s how someone becomes not credible. Saying the same thing regardless of outcome. 

I think the NAO is one of the most overrated features we have here. Maybe it helps the high end potential on the margins, but I feel like we’ve done just fine without it before.

There is nothing more miserable than cold and dry, I’d rather flirt with or rain than that.

you aren’t even in the game when it’s dry 

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