Jester January

[Prismshine Productions]

58.6" is nowhere near Kevin, in fact it's not even in CT. That's North Foster Rhode Island. Kevin is in tolland. Also none of these reports come from here, it's all COOP data. See 1991-2020 on my site for comparison in that area. 

What is nuts is how that graph of the NWS data in Vermont it varifies the 56.5" seasonal totals for Brattleboro, but 30 minutes up the road it is doubled

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[scoob40]

7 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said:

58.6" is nowhere near Kevin, in fact it's not even in CT. That's North Foster Rhode Island. Kevin is in tolland. Also none of these reports come from here, it's all COOP data. See 1991-2020 on my site for comparison in that area. 

Where's that 57.1 in Southeast Hampden County ? Looks out of whack

 

 

 

[KTBFFH1905]

1 hour ago, WinterWolf said:

At least we got the cold…definitely feels like January. 

Was on the ice this morning, freezing but felt great to be on the pond. It's been 3 winters since we have a perfect glassy pond. 

 

[Damage In Tolland]

26 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said:

58.6" is nowhere near Kevin, in fact it's not even in CT. That's North Foster Rhode Island. Kevin is in tolland. Also none of these reports come from here, it's all COOP data. See 1991-2020 on my site for comparison in that area. 

Will said the other day it’s 60-62” from here up to Union . Though the last few winters have hurt that 

[dryslot]

1 hour ago, The 4 Seasons said:

I can feel the cold through this picture

You can really feel it up here with these winds gusting into the 40's

[512high]

16F/light snow shower coming through, wind 10-12

[dryslot]

2 hours ago, powderfreak said:

This is some of the most incredible wind I can remember.  Day 3 of tropical storm gusts at 0F and snow.  As gnarly as it gets up here at the mountain.

Already gusting into the 40's up here, Were heading up towards Pittsburgh that should be a fun run.........lol

[PWMan]

Nary a flurry. At least when the cutter comes I won't be gnashing my teeth over pack loss, and maybe that will reset things.

[UnitedWx]

4 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said:

@Patrick-02540

Besides the 5 climo sites, take those numbers with a grain of salt as most are missing many days over 25 years. Which is understandable. I tried to only include reports that are missing <1000 days, which is actually not that much over 9,125 days, about 10%. I also have the 1981-2010 and 1990-2020 Northeast maps from the NWS on our site as well.

https://www.jdjweatherconsulting.com/average-seasonal-snowfall

Thanks. You can really see how the last few years have affected a few of those numbers. I really am surprised that 75-100 area isn't further south in the Berks! The area Just west of me (Westfield) has done really well a couple of the last few that have sucked everywhere else. There's been a dozen times I've driven up to Blandford for example and they'll have 8-12 inches plus, and we have near nothing. My friend at the top of the hill has been keeping track for decades, I'll have to ask him what he's seen

[Lava Rock]

2 minutes ago, PWMan said:

Nary a flurry. At least when the cutter comes I won't be gnashing my teeth over pack loss, and maybe that will reset things.

getting real old looking at brown grass

[WinterWolf]

54 minutes ago, Lava Rock said:

County getting some snow yesterday/today. Should be starting some grooming this wknd.

Yes sir.  Fort Kent out grooming yesterday. 

[backedgeapproaching]

45 minutes ago, Prismshine Productions said:

What is nuts is how that graph of the NWS data in Vermont it varifies the 56.5" seasonal totals for Brattleboro, but 30 minutes up the road it is doubled

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Just going west or northwest from Brattleboro you are going to increase snowfall average practically every mile traveled.  If you are not tied down there and are flexible and want more snow weenie options, just have to head that direction.  Obviously housing and job options also decrease unless you want to commute a bit to Brattleboro, Bennington, Manchester, etc. Ludlow area too, but again I think housing would be biggest issue. 

[Modfan2]

Cloudy here in E CT, seems to be keeping the winds down for the time being

[ORH_wxman]

50 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Will said the other day it’s 60-62” from here up to Union . Though the last few winters have hurt that 

His map is based on coop data which is notoriously unreliable unless you know that coop is dedicated for snowfall. It’s too bad that a lot of coops degraded as we went through the years. Ironically, they were more reliable in days of yore when people didn’t travel as much or were home more often to do measurements at the right time (i.e. after snow ended or changed over and not the next morning when half of it might be washed away or compacted) 

N Foster coop is actually a good one though. Some of those coops north of them in MA near Milford and my region are horrific….usually at least 20-30% low. Maybe more. There’s precisely a 0% chance that southern ORH county averages near 40” a season…the worst spots there are prob in the 53-55” range and you have to be in the pit of the blackstone valley to get those numbers. Once you are at like 600-800 feet in Oxford/Southbridge/Douglas/etc, you’re gonna be near or over 60”. 
 

But sadly the bad coops are the only official data available so when you make a map, you’ll go with that unless you personally know certain areas are wrong. That’s a very nicely detailed map 4seasons has but I’d prob augment a lot of spots in S MA and NE CT. 

[Prismshine Productions]

Obviously housing and job options also decrease unless you want to commute a bit to Brattleboro, Bennington, Manchester, etc. Ludlow area too, but again I think housing would be biggest issue. 

I want Ludlow, wife is thinking Jamaica so there is a little conflict of interest lol XD

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[Torch Tiger]

Nice AM snower for the winter crew. Congrats all

[Damage In Tolland]

22 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

His map is based on coop data which is notoriously unreliable unless you know that coop is dedicated for snowfall. It’s too bad that a lot of coops degraded as we went through the years. Ironically, they were more reliable in days of yore when people didn’t travel as much or were home more often to do measurements at the right time (i.e. after snow ended or changed over and not the next morning when half of it might be washed away or compacted) 

N Foster coop is actually a good one though. Some of those coops north of them in MA near Milford and my region are horrific….usually at least 20-30% low. Maybe more. There’s precisely a 0% chance that southern ORH county averages near 40” a season…the worst spots there are prob in the 53-55” range and you have to be in the pit of the blackstone valley to get those numbers. Once you are at like 600-800 feet in Oxford/Southbridge/Douglas/etc, you’re gonna be near or over 60”. 
 

But sadly the bad coops are the only official data available so when you make a map, you’ll go with that unless you personally know certain areas are wrong. That’s a very nicely detailed map 4seasons has but I’d prob augment a lot of spots in S MA and NE CT. 

As I recall you had a pretty good avg snowfall map you had put together a few years back .

[CoastalWx]

There is no way from 1999 to 2024 Cape is under 20". Those COOPs blow.

[iceman1]

sunny and cold 20s and windy here

[DavisStraight]

1 hour ago, UnitedWx said:

Thanks. You can really see how the last few years have affected a few of those numbers. I really am surprised that 75-100 area isn't further south in the Berks! The area Just west of me (Westfield) has done really well a couple of the last few that have sucked everywhere else. There's been a dozen times I've driven up to Blandford for example and they'll have 8-12 inches plus, and we have near nothing. My friend at the top of the hill has been keeping track for decades, I'll have to ask him what he's seen

I had an appt one year in Blandford and there was nothing here or in the Springfield area and Blandford had about a foot of crusty snow with ice snow banks.

[HIPPYVALLEY]

2 hours ago, CoastalWx said:

Blows 

Outside the spine of the Greens, garbage winter so far.   
I will get out of the ice this weekend at least.

[CoastalWx]

2 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

Outside the spine of the Greens, garbage winter so far.   
I will get out of the ice this weekend at least.

Mullets, Pontiac Firebirds, and Marlboro jackets. 

[HIPPYVALLEY]

4 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Mullets, Pontiac Firebirds, and Marlboro jackets. 

[UnitedWx]

6 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Mullets, Pontiac Firebirds, and Marlboro jackets. 

Don't forget early 90s Polaris snowmobiles with the PINK, purple and retiree blue graphix... and matching jacket

[Prismshine Productions]

Winds of yore

[SouthCoastMA]

43 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

There is no way from 1999 to 2024 Cape is under 20". Those COOPs blow.

Agreed. The one in East Wareham is pretty solid though, and probably close to what reality is. I would say outside of ACK, the Cape is safely within the 30-40" range during the last 25 years. 

[tamarack]

17 hours ago, Torch Tiger said:

the end of winter is near, very very near. less so for NNE/N ME of course, they have months and months

Two verys?  A bit much.
Though I appreciate the "less so".  After 26 years here, the median halfway point for HDDs is January 22, and I'd guess all of the Northeast would be close to the same even as the magnitude varies greatly.  Midpoint for actual fuel use would be several days earlier as the sun offers more help as the season ages. 

Thru last winter our average snowfall is 89.0".  Current average for snowfall is exactly half, 44.5", by Jan 31.  That 1/31-2/1 split wiggles around but those periods stay within 2" of each other.  (I thought other NE sites would be similar, but checked CAR and there it's front-loaded, with 55% by Jan 31.)

[ORH_wxman]

55 minutes ago, SouthCoastMA said:

Agreed. The one in East Wareham is pretty solid though, and probably close to what reality is. I would say outside of ACK, the Cape is safely within the 30-40" range during the last 25 years. 

Yeah E Wareham is decent. Not close to pristine but pretty solid. I think their avg is around 39-40” since the turn of the century but long term avg is likely closer to about 35-37”. Much of the cape is likely low 30s and trending to upper 30s near the canal for longer term averages. 

[ORH_wxman]

GFS tries for a SWFE at D10. I almost forgot what those look like. 

[tamarack]

1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said:

His map is based on coop data which is notoriously unreliable unless you know that coop is dedicated for snowfall. It’s too bad that a lot of coops degraded as we went through the years. Ironically, they were more reliable in days of yore when people didn’t travel as much or were home more often to do measurements at the right time (i.e. after snow ended or changed over and not the next morning when half of it might be washed away or compacted) 

N Foster coop is actually a good one though. Some of those coops north of them in MA near Milford and my region are horrific….usually at least 20-30% low. Maybe more. There’s precisely a 0% chance that southern ORH county averages near 40” a season…the worst spots there are prob in the 53-55” range and you have to be in the pit of the blackstone valley to get those numbers. Once you are at like 600-800 feet in Oxford/Southbridge/Douglas/etc, you’re gonna be near or over 60”. 
 

But sadly the bad coops are the only official data available so when you make a map, you’ll go with that unless you personally know certain areas are wrong. That’s a very nicely detailed map 4seasons has but I’d prob augment a lot of spots in S MA and NE CT. 

One example of that is Fort Kent.  Anyone familiar with Aroostook snow knows that FK gets more snow on average than CAR.  However, the careful measurements at the WSO plus the lackadaisical effort 40 miles to the NW show CAR as snowier by about 20".  Crazy.
Another sad factor is loss of co-ops.  Four sites fairly close to me and with records beginning from 1886 to 1903 (Gardiner, Lewiston, Bridgton, Farmington) have gone away over the past 15 years, that last hurting the most as its records were most complete.  Only 13 months missed in 130 years, only one since 1909.  WVL goes back to 1893 but its snow records rival Fort Kent for under-measuring.
 

Already gusting into the 40's up here, Were heading up towards Pittsburgh that should be a fun run.........lol

Probably not a good day to go up Coburn Mountain.