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E PA/NJ/DE Winter 2024/25 Obs/Discussion


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34 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

Euro just went even more South for Tues/Wed. It's over for that threat guys.

Weenie handbook rule #26: if you’re gonna fail, best to do so days in advance and not 12 hours prior.

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Southeast ridge with three cutters and west coast storminess through the long range. The epic cold is now down to two days of below normal but nothing extreme around the 17th. A pattern fail for the ages you can tell your grandchildren about round the fireplace.

 

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37 minutes ago, RedSky said:

In other news Direct Weather has this area as ground zero with major blizzards and the snowiest pattern in 10+ years, gotta love'em

I will repeat, its over after tonight's mess, at least for my area points S and E. LV maybe another shot, perhaps 2.

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2 hours ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

After tonight's mess, its over for all intents and purposes. Pitchers and catchers reporting in a few days.

The NFL will go to 18 games and they may add another bye. Pretty much we may come to the day where it's the Super bowl and a week later pitchers and catchers report. Also throw in March madness with the transition...

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I have looked at models much much less this year, really just check in to this forum and the discord to see how things are going but I just don’t expect much in winter anymore, any snow I look at as a bonus so maybe that’s why I’m not that down. I also don’t think it’s a shit the blinds look either. We will get what we will get. Go birds! 

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1 hour ago, Duca892 said:

Really does feel like the winter end times. Long range looks like total crap. We are already a 1/3rd of the way through February pretty much. Another below average winter

Euro ensembles have a pretty nice signal around the 20th FWIW.

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7 hours ago, Birds~69 said:

I've been on this board, back then Eastern weather, for over 20 years. Those long-term, 300 hour models rarely pan out, maybe once in a blue moon. Should have a thread for 5 days and in threats. Then once we get within 2 days or so create a thread for that event. And  create a thread for long-term weenie threats which I would look at here and there but certainly not pay close attention to the event draws near. Long-term threats in the current ops is silly and clogs everything up for nothing because they usually fail. Basically take one storm at a time...

I have noticed the LR models DO tend to "sniff out" something (whether it pans out "positive" or not), but then it all gets muddled and garbled in the midrange.

Looks like the 18z GFS has the Wed. storm do a slide to the south and the Friday one is a thump to rain.

As an obs, it's currently overcast and 33 with dp 14.

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Just now, RedSky said:

Can't decide if I care if this moves north with it raining 48hrs later. Empiric victory?

 

Rain, snow or some other form, we just need the moisture given the ongoing drought. 

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Mike-  Always appreciate your time and comments in this forum.. Hope I'm not imposing on asking your opinion on the likely hood that a 9 PM Tuesday evening flight out of PHL (to Madrid- retirement vacation) will be cancelled? Too soon to hypothesize at this time?  Much obliged on any comments on trends...  I'd have to pull the trigger later tomorrow on reschedule...  

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4 minutes ago, rcostell said:

Mike-  Always appreciate your time and comments in this forum.. Hope I'm not imposing on asking your opinion on the likely hood that a 9 PM Tuesday evening flight out of PHL (to Madrid- retirement vacation) will be cancelled? Too soon to hypothesize at this time?  Much obliged on any comments on trends...  I'd have to pull the trigger later tomorrow on reschedule...  

I think there will be some snow, although confidence is low given the variability in the model guidance. I recommend checking the latest forecasts again tomorrow before making a final decision. 

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34 minutes ago, MGorse said:

I think there will be some snow, although confidence is low given the variability in the model guidance. I recommend checking the latest forecasts again tomorrow before making a final decision. 

Much obliged Mike. I can give it another 24 hours or so before making the call.  Appreciate your thoughts. 

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Just now, rcostell said:

Much obliged Mike. I can give it another 24 hours or so before making the call.  Appreciate your thoughts. 

On the subject of drought- I'm 66 and have never seen it this dry, this long. Even the natural bogs down near Chatsworth in the Pines are bone dry.  

 

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43 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

So the 18z euro came north a good bit. The rgem moving N at 18z leads me to believe e the ggem will be n at 0z. Curious if the gfs will still suck

It came 120 miles north that's insane 

Back in the game lol

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1 hour ago, rcostell said:

On the subject of drought- I'm 66 and have never seen it this dry, this long. Even the natural bogs down near Chatsworth in the Pines are bone dry.  

 

How dry is it? The Little Lehigh is a spring fed limestone stream.  When we had the -15 degrees temps a few weeks ago, ice formed on the banks of the 55 degree water. Since then, the banks of  the stream have remain frozen but the baseflow has continued to drop. The ice hangs over the streams  edge by up to a foot above  where the original base flow was flowing. I have never seen the base flow of this stream this low in the winter in 30+ years. The sleet  tonight will not help much, just make it worse as it freezes the surfaces of the ground and only causes an immediate runoff into the streams from any salted roads without recharging groundwater tables plus its the amount of moisture content is nothing. Its like raining ice cubes on frozen surfaces. The only real melting is from man made salt application or sublimation tomorrow morning when the sun peaks out.

At this point, Like what Mike Gorse stated ,I will take 2-3 inch rainstorm over this crap anyday. The dry air preceding every storm since New Years day here has been as so abundant. Its like to get it to snow in Las Vegas for every winter storm event. The models literally cannot handle this scenario on the east coast and they are going wacko with timings of the storm event to total precip amounts.  The amount of virga  and the progressiveness of the precip is way too fast. The models just cannot see this scenario very well. Its back to old days of waiting for just the right time to get a heavy snow event. Its just not in the cards right now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  

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1 minute ago, LVblizzard said:

0z NAM brings back the Tuesday threat with plowable snow up to the turnpike. 18z Euro and RGEM also looked much better. Don’t write this one off yet! I doubt it trends back to a big one but we could still get some decent snow out of this.

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