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Converged on a 12/21/2024 coastal storm, however ... much higher than normal uncertainty relative to very shortterm. May need nowcast for impacting east/SE regions


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At this time, nobody should be relying too heavily on global (GFS, CMC, ECMWF) or regional (RGEM 10km, RAP 13km, NAM 12km, etc...) modeling systems. Stick with the mesos (HRRR 3km, WRF ARW, WRF ARW2, NAM 3km, etc...) and rely on data assimilation/nowcasting to follow any trends.

That said, the 12z HREF (ensemble of mesos) increased mean snowfall for most areas in eastern MA and all of RI (compared to last night at 00z). It also expands accumulating snowfall westward.... More snow may be falling after this, but I'm too impatient to wait for the next panel... Follow it here: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/href/?model=href&product=snowfall_024h_mean&sector=ne&rd=20241220&rt=1200

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1 hour ago, MegaMike said:

At this time, nobody should be relying too heavily on global (GFS, CMC, ECMWF) or regional (RGEM 10km, RAP 13km, NAM 12km, etc...) modeling systems. Stick with the mesos (HRRR 3km, WRF ARW, WRF ARW2, NAM 3km, etc...) and rely on data assimilation/nowcasting to follow any trends.

That said, the 12z HREF (ensemble of mesos) increased mean snowfall for most areas in eastern MA and all of RI (compared to last night at 00z). It also expands accumulating snowfall westward.... More snow may be falling after this, but I'm too impatient to wait for the next panel... Follow it here: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/href/?model=href&product=snowfall_024h_mean&sector=ne&rd=20241220&rt=1200

 

I tend to agree ... i outlined a few meteorological aspects a while ago that goes into the why-for the (bold ^ ) tact is advisable. 

altho, i do suggest the NAM physics are very good for these low level hydrostatic gradient deals - just to add.  the gradient/steep elevating frontal slope enhances rising motion along the up-glide that's triggered under what looks like might be under done q-g forcing in that area.  we'll see..    but whether this means more low sfc pressure resulting, farther nw of previous guidance clusters or not, there's classical mechanics of qpf blossoming between central jersey to se nh. 

also noticing a 300 mb entrance fan to assist with that over central ne

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8 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

I tend to agree ... i outlined a few meteorological aspects a while ago that goes into the why-for the (bold ^ ) tact is advisable. 

altho, i do suggest the NAM physics are very good for these low level hydrostatic gradient deals - just to add.  the gradient/steep elevating frontal slope enhances rising motion along the up-glide that's triggered under what looks like might be under done q-g forcing in that area.  we'll see..    but whether this means more low sfc pressure resulting, farther nw of previous guidance clusters or not, there's classical mechanics of qpf blossoming between central jersey to se nh. 

also noticing a 300 mb exit fan to assist with that over central ne

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it's funny, I know you've been mentioning this, but the GFS presentation is what one would "expect" given the synoptics. just odd that we would have had to wait this long for it

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43 minutes ago, MegaMike said:

At this time, nobody should be relying too heavily on global (GFS, CMC, ECMWF) or regional (RGEM 10km, RAP 13km, NAM 12km, etc...) modeling systems. Stick with the mesos (HRRR 3km, WRF ARW, WRF ARW2, NAM 3km, etc...) and rely on data assimilation/nowcasting to follow any trends.

That said, the 12z HREF (ensemble of mesos) increased mean snowfall for most areas in eastern MA and all of RI (compared to last night at 00z). It also expands accumulating snowfall westward.... More snow may be falling after this, but I'm too impatient to wait for the next panel... Follow it here: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/href/?model=href&product=snowfall_024h_mean&sector=ne&rd=20241220&rt=1200

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22 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

As has been said…You just never know.  Perfect example of that with this whole thing.  Snow on the way. 

And to think yesterday people were mocking you relentlessly. Just goes to show you you never know.

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1 minute ago, CoastalWx said:

The stuff off NJ weakened a bit as modeled. The earlier stuff off DOX will kiss ern LI. I'm just not sure how far west it will get. CT might need that weenie finger near BDR.

There is still a lot of meh guidance out there. I guess everyone is going NAM 100%.
 

lots of high fives for something that hasn’t happened yet 

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