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7 minutes ago, paweather said:

I never said it was over....read

I'm saying it's over. Storm to the south, gullywasher. Almost nobody gets anywhere within a sniff of what the wet dream runs, the 200+ hour runs we all know better than to avoid were showing. Finished. 

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1 minute ago, Blizzard of 93 said:

The good 15/16 day ensemble runs started around 2/3.

We can then keep score & make declarations at that point.

That then takes us to early/mid next week. Not looking good to expect anything near double digits that were being shown on those runs. 

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2 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

Pivotal snowfall maps are much more conservative than WxBell again. This is another reason why I believe the bust potential here and to our south is high. Expectations are just too high based on those WxBell maps that never work out imby.

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Sometimes precious Pivotal shows more than WB…

It is always maybe a .5 inch difference either way.

Really, it’s a pointless debate!

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2 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said:

Sometimes precious Pivotal shows more than WB…

It is always maybe a .5 inch difference either way.

Really, it’s a pointless debate!

Not debating, just stating why I'm doubting the numbers on some maps and that it plays into the bust potential.  Bust potential is based on expectations.

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6 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said:

2/20 is 10 days away from now…

You said the good ensembles started on 2/3 so adding 15 or 16 days takes us to the 18th/19th, which is Tuesday/Wednesday of next week.

Runs after 2/3 would certainly extend the period.

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3 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

You said the good ensembles started on 2/3 so adding 15 or 16 days takes us to the 18th/19th, which is Tuesday/Wednesday of next week.

Runs after 2/3 would certainly extend the period.

That’s my point, good ensemble runs started around 2/3 & all 3 ensembles for days had double digit totals. 
If we get to 2/20 & don’t have near double digit snow for the period, we can say it busted.

Hopefully by that point we are staring down something significant as the general pattern look improves.

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Just now, Storm Clouds said:

Yes, but here is the problem folks...we keep kicking the can further down the road. Sorry to be such a pessimist, but that 20th storm on the Euro will be gone next run. It's always 10 days away...

This is a fair post. I say that because while I acknowledge that the pattern does shoe signs of greatly improving next week, we've also seen great advertised patterns fail to materialize in previous years.

The only definitive thing that should be said is there is potential. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone saying it will snow or it won't snow is just being foolish right now.

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Just now, Storm Clouds said:

Yes, but here is the problem folks...we keep kicking the can further down the road. Sorry to be such a pessimist, but that 20th storm on the Euro will be gone next run. It's always 10 days away...

As pessimistic as I "may" (lol) sound sometimes, it's really disgust 95% of the time. But my $0.02 opinions are what I  legit believe, right or wrong.

That said, my gripe has been the lack of support on the operationals from what does appear to be a legit decent pattern advertised on the ensembles assuming they are correct. This storm finally gives some credence to the ensemble pattern imho. In addition, I posted in the MA long range forum this morning that the AI had 3 threats for next week. So maybe we'll start to see the operational runs lighting up with blue over us...we all hope.

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5 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said:

Quite the signal for 9 or 10 days out.

48 hour snow map captures the potential tracks of the slow or fast ensemble members. This could be a long duration event with the blocking.

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The pattern look is absolutely drool worthy & classic major storm signature.

It literally checks all of the boxes.

Potential is certainly there…

 

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12 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said:

Quite the signal for 9 or 10 days out.

48 hour snow map captures the potential tracks of the slow or fast ensemble members. This could be a long duration event with the blocking.

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AO proged to go down to -5 now. I think the last time it went down that low was 2/10? Even if that's incorrect, an AO that low almost always favors ME/SE for storms. But this one, though starting south, is also proged to head north instead of out to sea thankfully. 

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