Central PA Winter 2024/2025

[Superstorm]

54 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

I clearly remember the storm being disjointed in some way. It was not a wall to wall continuous snowstorm. It definitely had 2 parts. I need to go read Raymond Martin's synopsis. 

PD2 was great.  My only issue with that storm was from 1:00 am to 5:00 am I was straight sleet.  Still ended up with 25" of snow, but it should have been over 30".

[Itstrainingtime]

28 minutes ago, Superstorm said:

PD2 was great.  My only issue with that storm was from 1:00 am to 5:00 am I was straight sleet.  Still ended up with 25" of snow, but it should have been over 30".

Interesting, thank you for that. I really do need to check my book when I get home. Now that you mention it I think I might have had sleet as well. And maybe that's my memory of the storm being disjointed. I will say that for whatever reason, my memory of that storm isn't nearly as sharp as storms that came years before that. I have very vivid memories going all the way back to Feb. 1983. I do remember the Blizzard of 1978 but the details are fuzzy. Of all of our big snowstorms since 1978 my recollection of 2003 is the worst. No idea why that is. 

[sauss06]

2 hours ago, Itstrainingtime said:

New Jersey centric, but I always enjoy referring to this website:

https://www.raymondcmartinjr.com/weather/2003/17-Feb-03.html

pretty nice site to look around.

[Blizzard of 93]

This is great lunchtime reminiscing on PD2 back in 2003.

This is my second place all time storm for my lifetime.

On that Sunday morning that it started in the Harrisburg area, temps were in the single digits as a 1040+ High pressed down. It caused the initial large appendage of light to moderate snow to crawl north from MD into the LSV. Once you got in the precip shield, it didn’t stop snowing until around midday on Monday.

I remember the snow intensity picked up  as the day went on Sunday with the radar lit up the whole way back to at least Missouri. The low then tracked toward the Carolina coast & intensified Sunday night. The snow got heavier Sunday night into early Monday. Temperatures actually rose into the upper 20s as the coastal low took over.

Then on Tuesday the upper low moved through, bringing a few more inches to top it off.

What an epic, long duration, historic storm!

[Blizzard of 93]

The 6z Euro AI is on board for a late season chance around March 9th.

It tracks a low from TN to near OCMD. Verbatim, temps are marginal for the LSV, but lots of time to sort out details if it even has a clue at this range. 
The AI has had a similar look for this time period for 3 straight runs.

Hopefully we get one more to track.

[Blizzard of 93]

12z GFS goes about it differently than the Euro AI, but it finds a way to snow on us early on the 10th.

[Blizzard of 93]

Extrapolating the 12z Canadian, that low out in Kansas looked promising if the run went out a couple more days…

[Itstrainingtime]

40 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said:

This is great lunchtime reminiscing on PD2 back in 2003.

This is my second place all time storm for my lifetime.

On that Sunday morning that it started in the Harrisburg area, temps were in the single digits as a 1040+ High pressed down. It caused the initial large appendage of light to moderate snow to crawl north from MD into the LSV. Once you got in the precip shield, it didn’t stop snowing until around midday on Monday.

I remember the snow intensity picked up  as the day went on Sunday with the radar lit up the whole way back to at least Missouri. The low then tracked toward the Carolina coast & intensified Sunday night. The snow got heavier Sunday night into early Monday. Temperatures actually rose into the upper 20s as the coastal low took over.

Then on Tuesday the upper low moved through, bringing a few more inches to top it off.

What an epic, long duration, historic storm!

Yes - I was able to confirm after reading @sauss06 and your posts that I was a day off - I thought it was a Saturday/Sunday deal but it didn't start until Sunday. I had a few hours of mixed precip Sunday night before winding down as all snow on Monday. Our daughter was 17 months old and I just found a picture of her sitting at our patio door with the snow towering above her in the background as it had drifted several feet high against the door. 

[Itstrainingtime]

43 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said:

The 6z Euro AI is on board for a late season chance around March 9th.

It tracks a low from TN to near OCMD. Verbatim, temps are marginal for the LSV, but lots of time to sort out details if it even has a clue at this range. 
The AI has had a similar look for this time period for 3 straight runs.

Hopefully we get one more to track.

This is in all likelihood the last "real" opportunity of the season. 

We can say "no way, no how, no chance, etc." and likely be right, or we can say "why not? It's something to at least track and watch for over the coming days."

It's a long time until we track again. Might as well stay invested while we can. 

 

[paweather]

43 minutes ago, Blizzard of 93 said:

12z GFS goes about it differently than the Euro AI, but it finds a way to snow on us early on the 10th.

Nice H's to the north a good sign

[Itstrainingtime]

Here's what Elliott has to say about the March 7th to 11th time frame:

 High-latitude blocking over Greenland, Iceland and northeastern Canada has vanished and won't return for several weeks or more. There may be one more period of "chilly" conditions between March 7-11 before a major warmup during the middle of the month. In fact, we may see a sudden onset of Spring with persistently.. and perhaps well-above.. normal temperatures during the 3rd and/or 4th weeks of the month. Signs point toward the return of a deep trough over western North America and anomalous, upper-level ridge over the eastern half of the continent. Snow-lovers will have to count on the March 7-11 period for one more accumulating snowfall. Thereafter, the odds of measurable snow will likely hit "rock bottom" and essentially be "nil" until next winter. Even in that 5-day window, any snowstorm would probably have to be of the "thread-the-needle" variety and occur at night.

[Itstrainingtime]

Note: His "one more period of chilly conditions" in the time frame he mentioned above is after a 2 day blast of cold air on March 2nd and 3rd, which I did not include in the above snippet. 

[sauss06]

we were talking about Zac the other day, he posts in the mid Atlantic thread @TSSN+ @CarlislePaWx

[paweather]

33 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

Here's what Elliott has to say about the March 7th to 11th time frame:

 High-latitude blocking over Greenland, Iceland and northeastern Canada has vanished and won't return for several weeks or more. There may be one more period of "chilly" conditions between March 7-11 before a major warmup during the middle of the month. In fact, we may see a sudden onset of Spring with persistently.. and perhaps well-above.. normal temperatures during the 3rd and/or 4th weeks of the month. Signs point toward the return of a deep trough over western North America and anomalous, upper-level ridge over the eastern half of the continent. Snow-lovers will have to count on the March 7-11 period for one more accumulating snowfall. Thereafter, the odds of measurable snow will likely hit "rock bottom" and essentially be "nil" until next winter. Even in that 5-day window, any snowstorm would probably have to be of the "thread-the-needle" variety and occur at night.

Make sense given what the models are saying right now. One more would be nice before the lets go spring snowstorms start. 

[TSSN+]

24 minutes ago, sauss06 said:

we were talking about Zac the other day, he posts in the mid Atlantic thread @TSSN+ @CarlislePaWx

What even brought me up? Lol

[mitchnick]

2 hours ago, Blizzard of 93 said:

This is great lunchtime reminiscing on PD2 back in 2003.

This is my second place all time storm for my lifetime.

On that Sunday morning that it started in the Harrisburg area, temps were in the single digits as a 1040+ High pressed down. It caused the initial large appendage of light to moderate snow to crawl north from MD into the LSV. Once you got in the precip shield, it didn’t stop snowing until around midday on Monday.

I remember the snow intensity picked up  as the day went on Sunday with the radar lit up the whole way back to at least Missouri. The low then tracked toward the Carolina coast & intensified Sunday night. The snow got heavier Sunday night into early Monday. Temperatures actually rose into the upper 20s as the coastal low took over.

Then on Tuesday the upper low moved through, bringing a few more inches to top it off.

What an epic, long duration, historic storm!

Snow started at my house 2 miles north of BWI Friday night. It dropped a little over 2". That was the Arctic front. Snow stopped Saturday morning early, but then started back up late morning and lasted until late afternoon on Saturday. 

Saturday night featured a virga Blizzard. I dragged my wife and 2 kids out for a ride to "look for snow." We headed down Rt. 295 toward DC and finally had a few flurries not too far north of the DC line. I headed back home. When you get off of 295 by heading north toward Baltimore onto the Baltimore Beltway, you get a clear view of the Baltimore city skyline. The snow ceiling was incredibly low that night thanks to the Arctic air and you could see the snow above the city lit by the yellowish mercury vapor street lights. There were striations in the virga/ceiling. I'll never forget that view. When I got home and looked northward, I  could still see the low ceiling gently dropping at that point. The snow started incredibly heavy and stayed that way all night dropping around  a foot. I had 2 lightning strikes with the heavy snow that night.

The NWS combined the 4 days (Fri-Mon) into 1 event and recorded 28.2" for the total, which would have been more had we not gotten heavy sleet late Sunday night into early Monday morning. 

[Itstrainingtime]

1 hour ago, TSSN+ said:

What even brought me up? Lol

We were reminiscing about past posters in our thread - you were one of just a few that came up...probably because you were missed the most.   

[Itstrainingtime]

49 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

Snow started at my house 2 miles north of BWI Friday night. It dropped a little over 2". That was the Arctic front. Snow stopped Saturday morning early, but then started back up late morning and lasted until late afternoon on Saturday. 

Saturday night featured a virga Blizzard. I dragged my wife and 2 kids out for a ride to "look for snow." We headed down Rt. 295 toward DC and finally had a few flurries not too far north of the DC line. I headed back home. When you get off of 295 by heading north toward Baltimore onto the Baltimore Beltway, you get a clear view of the Baltimore city skyline. The snow ceiling was incredibly low that night thanks to the Arctic air and you could see the snow above the city lit by the yellowish mercury vapor street lights. There were striations in the virga/ceiling. I'll never forget that view. When I got home and looked northward, I  could still see the low ceiling gently dropping at that point. The snow started incredibly heavy and stayed that way all night dropping around  a foot. I had 2 lightning strikes with the heavy snow that night.

The NWS combined the 4 days (Fri-Mon) into 1 event and recorded 28.2" for the total, which would have been more had we not gotten heavy sleet late Sunday night into early Monday morning. 

Now I'm really confused, I thought all along that we had snow from Friday overnight into Saturday. I was convinced today that I was off one day, now you're sort of confirming my initial memory was correct. And you also confirmed it came in multiple pieces. 

[TSSN+]

17 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

We were reminiscing about past posters in our thread - you were one of just a few that came up...probably because you were missed the most.   

I highly doubt that… lol Jk but thank you. 

[Mount Joy Snowman]

18 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

We were reminiscing about past posters in our thread - you were one of just a few that came up...probably because you were missed the most.   

Yes, and I am still looking for someone to confirm the existence of a poster named UndertakersSon (went by UTS) from some far-flung weather board from many moons ago

[Itstrainingtime]

Just now, Mount Joy Snowman said:

Yes, and I am still looking for someone to confirm the existence of a poster named UndertakersSon (went by UTS) from some far-flung weather board from many moons ago

My friend, that one is totally lost on me. Was this person specific to our area? 

[mahantango#1]

53 for the high today. Ice in the yard is now a memory for this winter.

[canderson]

Headed back home. Got to 57 there. - was warm in NYC and had to carry around the fleece all day. 

[mitchnick]

55 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

Now I'm really confused, I thought all along that we had snow from Friday overnight into Saturday. I was convinced today that I was off one day, now you're sort of confirming my initial memory was correct. And you also confirmed it came in multiple pieces. 

That is correct. BWI had accumulating snows all 4 days.

[Itstrainingtime]

6 minutes ago, canderson said:

Headed back home. Got to 57 there. - was warm in NYC and had to carry around the fleece all day. 

57 was my high temp today as well. Going to finish today with a double digit AN departure. 

[Blizzard of 93]

53 minutes ago, Mount Joy Snowman said:

Yes, and I am still looking for someone to confirm the existence of a poster named UndertakersSon (went by UTS) from some far-flung weather board from many moons ago

I remember him very well!

Undertakerson (UTS) was one of the prolific posters in the old Accuweather forums. He lived just a few miles north of Harrisburg, so I looked forward to all of his posts because he was in my backyard. He knew the weather very well & was very good at pattern recognition.

I only lurked there & then lurked at the early days of American. I finally decided to join in the posting fun here back in 2014.

It would be great if UTS was still around & decided to post on here.

[WmsptWx]

2 hours ago, Mount Joy Snowman said:

Yes, and I am still looking for someone to confirm the existence of a poster named UndertakersSon (went by UTS) from some far-flung weather board from many moons ago

 

[Jns2183]

Is @Bubbler86 ok?

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[Mount Joy Snowman]

3 hours ago, Itstrainingtime said:

My friend, that one is totally lost on me. Was this person specific to our area? 

 

2 hours ago, Blizzard of 93 said:

I remember him very well!

Undertakerson (UTS) was one of the prolific posters in the old Accuweather forums. He lived just a few miles north of Harrisburg, so I looked forward to all of his posts because he was in my backyard. He knew the weather very well & was very good at pattern recognition.

I only lurked there & then lurked at the early days of American. I finally decided to join in the posting fun here back in 2014.

It would be great if UTS was still around & decided to post on here.

Yes, that’s him! Thank you Blizz! I only lurked there, didn’t post. I think he had a Rockville address and lived up on Blue Mountain with decent elevation (~1,000’).  Man that’s a trip down memory lane. I’m just glad someone could finally confirm my half-baked recollections ha.  

[pasnownut]

3 hours ago, Mount Joy Snowman said:

Yes, and I am still looking for someone to confirm the existence of a poster named UndertakersSon (went by UTS) from some far-flung weather board from many moons ago

Thought we covered that.  Yes, you are correct.  If memory serves his screen pic had some dark hooded grim reaperish kinda thing going on.  I remember him.