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Well except for a very shallow wave that drops 1 to at the most 2" of snow for Southern PA next Saturday, the Euro is a snoozer.     The cutter later next week even manages to skip much of this forum leaving little precip.    Stark difference from the copious qpf GFS.    Things get interesting after 300 but...after 300. 

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1 minute ago, Bubbler86 said:

Well except for a very shallow wave that drops 1 to at the most 2" of snow for Southern PA next Saturday, the Euro is a snoozer.     The cutter later next week even manages to skip much of this forum leaving little precip. 

Models aside there seems to be a growing thought/consensus that we're entering a quiet period but with hope before we flip fully to spring. March might be friendly to us. In March I much prefer larger events and perhaps this year will deliver. 

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1 minute ago, Itstrainingtime said:

Models aside there seems to be a growing thought/consensus that we're entering a quiet period but with hope before we flip fully to spring. March might be friendly to us. In March I much prefer larger events and perhaps this year will deliver. 

I think we have at least one system with some decent qpf before the month is out.   Decent would be 1/4" or more. 

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37 minutes ago, canderson said:

Wind reports 

Location                     Speed     Time/Date       Provider             

...Pennsylvania...

...Adams County...
Cashtown 1 S                 51 MPH    0700 AM 02/17   COOP                 

...Bedford County...
Bedford Airport              47 MPH    0515 AM 02/17   AWOS                 

...Blair County...
Altoona-Blair County Airport 59 MPH    0502 PM 02/16   AWOS                                  
Blair Helibase               48 MPH    0116 AM 02/17   RAWS                 

...Cambria County...
Johnstown Airport            58 MPH    0420 PM 02/16   ASOS                 
1 E Cresson                  50 MPH    1125 PM 02/16   PADOT                

...Centre County...
PSU Beaver Stadium WxSTEM    55 MPH    0620 PM 02/16   MESOWEST             
University Park Airport      49 MPH    1053 AM 02/17   AWOS                 
PSU Golf Course WxSTEM       47 MPH    0610 PM 02/16   MESOWEST             
1 NE Port Matilda            47 MPH    0625 PM 02/16   PADOT                
Zion                         45 MPH    0638 PM 02/16   CWOP                 

...Clearfield County...
Clearfield Airport           51 MPH    0559 PM 02/16   ASOS                 

...Clinton County...
Lock Haven Airport           45 MPH    0645 PM 02/16   AWOS                 
Coffin Rock                  45 MPH    1016 AM 02/17   RAWS                 

...Cumberland County...
6 SSE Bloserville            47 MPH    0725 AM 02/17   PADOT                

...Dauphin County...
ELIZABETHVILLE               63 MPH    0714 PM 02/16   CWOP                 
Harrisburg                   56 MPH    0400 PM 02/16   MESOWEST             
Harrisburg Intl Airport      53 MPH    0601 PM 02/16   ASOS                 
Hummelstown                  48 MPH    0706 PM 02/16   CWOP                 
Reach Cyber CharSch WxSTEM   45 MPH    0720 PM 02/16   MESOWEST             

...Franklin County...
1 NNW Marion                 49 MPH    0625 PM 02/16   PADOT                

...Fulton County...
2 S Crystal Springs          54 MPH    0945 PM 02/16   PADOT                

...Juniata County...
3 S Alfarata                 57 MPH    0650 PM 02/16   PADOT                

...Lancaster County...
Lancaster Airport            58 MPH    0740 PM 02/16   ASOS                 
Lititz                       58 MPH    0824 PM 02/16   ASOS                 
Manheim                      55 MPH    0745 PM 02/16   CWOP                 
1 E Rothsville               52 MPH    0641 PM 02/16   Public               
Elizabethtown                48 MPH    0836 PM 02/16   CWOP                 

...Lebanon County...
2 ENE Harper Tavern          58 MPH    0630 PM 02/16   Trained Spotter      
Muir Airfield Ft. Indiantown 53 MPH    0917 AM 02/17   AWOS                 

...Lycoming County...
Williamsport Airport         55 MPH    0123 AM 02/17   ASOS                 

...McKean County...
Bradford Airport             53 MPH    0307 AM 02/17   ASOS                 

...Mifflin County...
Mifflin County Airport-RVL   64 MPH    0355 AM 02/17   AWOS                 
Lewistown                    53 MPH    0411 PM 02/16   Dept of Highways     
Chestnut Springs             46 MPH    0451 PM 02/16   RAWS                 

...Perry County...
Newport                      49 MPH    0651 PM 02/16   Dept of Highways     
2 ENE Newport                49 MPH    0725 PM 02/16   PADOT                

...Schuylkill County...
Joe Zerbey Airport           51 MPH    0735 PM 02/16   AWOS                 

...Snyder County...
Selinsgrove                  48 MPH    1047 PM 02/16   ASOS                 

...Somerset County...
Somerset                     52 MPH    0600 PM 02/16   CWOP                 
Ogletown                     52 MPH    0610 PM 02/16   PADOT                
Somerset Airport             48 MPH    0355 PM 02/16   AWOS                 

...Union County...
LEWISBURG                    46 MPH    0322 AM 02/17   CWOP                 

...York County...
Capitol City Airport         49 MPH    0916 AM 02/17   ASOS                 
York Airport                 47 MPH    0429 PM 02/16   ASOS                 
Dover                        47 MPH    0445 PM 02/16   CWOP                 

 

 

https://mesonet.agron.iastate.edu/api/1/nwstext/202502171626-KCTP-NOUS41-PNSCTP?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0vbrPgWkpJG5GK2uIOJFO31NFIkc2vcUW04-sKcs8iPHkBd13opzchAkk_aem_AbnQOxQcr1ik8qO5sQLOpg

Thanks for sharing that PNS!

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13 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

Last several runs of the European Model: In 24 hours Rehoboth went from historic to a dusting:

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My sister lives between Richmond and Williamsburg about 1.5 miles from Colonial Downs track. The Euro went from 14" yesterday to 3 or 4" today and I told her not to be surprised if it keeps going down. Of course, she's not a weenie and is fine with the reduction. She must be crazy!

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2 minutes ago, paweather said:

We haven’t had a good March winter for awhile 

Not a fan of March winters as a former high school spring sports coach!  Baseball in PIAA should be in the fall, but there's no way with king football.  Track and field is ok...but often damp, cold and windy for both the runner and throwers!  Love the 4 seasons!

 

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5 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

Mjo has us in the great phases for winter storms for the next 3 weeks or so (phases 8, 1, & 2.) It wouldn't be a shock to see the models starting to give some favorable looks as a result. I just am tired of the threat BS with nothing decent, if anything, to show for it.

Signs of a real torch after next week though. 

I can’t remember the last March snowstorm we had. It seems like it’s been years. 

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33 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

Mjo has us in the great phases for winter storms for the next 3 weeks or so (phases 8, 1, & 2.) It wouldn't be a shock to see the models starting to give some favorable looks as a result. I just am tired of the threat BS with nothing decent, if anything, to show for it.

I had commented above that I think we start getting more precip chances soon (could very well be rain or snow) and that is predicated more on the old fashioned, though scientifically solid, premise that as more drastic temp changes and differences become more prevalent in late winter/early spring, precip will follow.   I do not think it is wall-to-wall cold over the next 2-3 weeks.   

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39 minutes ago, canderson said:

Signs of a real torch after next week though. 

I can’t remember the last March snowstorm we had. It seems like it’s been years. 

 

3 minutes ago, Bubbler86 said:

I had commented above that I think we start getting more precip chances soon (could very well be rain or snow) and that is predicated more on the old fashioned, though scientifically solid, premise that as more drastic temp changes and differences become more prevalent in late winter/early spring, precip will follow.   I do not think it is wall-to-wall cold over the next 2-3 weeks.   

I don't think we get sustaining cold or warm, but the AI has the NAO negative at the end of its run today along with a decent new cold shot heading south from Canada. I think we're stuck in the middle of both seasons but with more cold than warm starting today thru 3/10-15. Just based on what I'm seeing on modeling, MJO, and the general reluctance of winter to give up in Niñas. 

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1 minute ago, mitchnick said:

 

I don't think we get sustaining cold or warm, but the AI has the NAO negative at the end of its run today along with a decent new cold shot heading south from Canada. I think we're stuck in the middle of both seasons but with more cold than warm starting today thru 3/10-15. Just based on what I'm seeing on modeling, MJO, and the general reluctance of winter to give up in Niñas. 

This afternoon the warmth ha subdued for sure. We’ll see! 
 

I’m at 16.2” snow on the year. Hope that’s not my total but kinda feel it is. 

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49 minutes ago, canderson said:

Signs of a real torch after next week though. 

I can’t remember the last March snowstorm we had. It seems like it’s been years. 

March 2018 we had a doozy on the spring equinox. I measured 17.3" from that one. March 2019 we had snow on snow early in the month with most of us posting 6-10" snow depths. It's been pretty quiet since. 

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11 minutes ago, mitchnick said:

 

I don't think we get sustaining cold or warm, but the AI has the NAO negative at the end of its run today along with a decent new cold shot heading south from Canada. I think we're stuck in the middle of both seasons but with more cold than warm starting today thru 3/10-15. Just based on what I'm seeing on modeling, MJO, and the general reluctance of winter to give up in Niñas. 

I agree, I see no torch but I think we have highs in the 50's and 60's before the month is out.  I am not at all calling Spring but think we do have some temp variation...more so than we did through much of winter.   One thing I like to look at the ensembles for is mean temps and the EPS and GEPS are pretty much AN straight through (for highs) after this week.   I do not think we get to 45-50 every single day, the variability is what I am hoping for in saying we "should" have some precip chances. 

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5 minutes ago, Itstrainingtime said:

March 2018 we had a doozy on the spring equinox. I measured 17.3" from that one. March 2019 we had snow on snow early in the month with most of us posting 6-10" snow depths. It's been pretty quiet since. 

I for some reason was thinking 2019 started in February but that’s right it was March. Still, that’s 6! years ago. Crazy. 

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