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3 hours ago, BxEngine said:

No one disagrees about the historic warmth (well except the deniers who cant handle their snow being taken away). But the ski area discussion hold pertinent to our subforum for the same reasons you just stated. Not to mention that it’s noteworthy considering their last few seasons and the struggles they have had. Tie that into many people not understanding where our subforum actually encompasses and having been implied or flat out told my obs dont matter, it becomes a bigger narrative and issue. 

Yeah, I agree. That’s why my posts often take in regional, national, and global influences to add context. Since the local forecasts are heavily influenced by the larger patterns. Never understood why anyone would want to define the geographic range of this forum so narrowly as to ever state that your obs don’t matter. I appreciate what the people in your area of the forum add to the discussion. I like to think that anyone in the OKX, PHI, BGM, ALB, or even the bordering BOX NWS forecast zones should be able to feel at home in the forum and that their posts add value.

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2 minutes ago, nycwinter said:

i do not know if anyone has mentioned in days are getting longer now...sun looked a little brighter today...

Earth's orbit is more elliptical, meaning we are in a somewhat "flattened" part of the orbit.  So we should have the same amount of sun for a day or two?

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21 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

that one on 11/22 in 2018 really stands out, was that one of the earliest ones on record, Chris?

 

Yeah, November 2018 had impressive snow and cold for so early in the season. It was the 5th earliest date that NYC dropped under 20°. While the winter still averaged warmer than normal, NYC almost made it to 0° in late January. 
 

Frost/Freeze Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
1933 03-11 (1933) 16 11-16 (1933) 17 249
1924 02-24 (1924) 14 11-17 (1924) 19 266
1936 03-07 (1936) 17 11-18 (1936) 18 255
1879 03-01 (1879) 18 11-21 (1879) 16 264
1987 03-11 (1987) 16 11-21 (1987) 18 254
1880 03-25 (1880) 14 11-22 (1880) 13 241
2018 02-03 (2018) 16 11-22 (2018) 17 291
1888 03-25 (1888) 16 11-23 (1888) 17 242
1938 03-04 (1938) 9 11-25 (1938) 19 265
1932 03-16 (1932) 19 11-26 (1932) 19 254
1903 02-21 (1903) 19 11-27 (1903) 19 278
1917 02-13 (1917) -0 11-27 (1917) 19 286
1871 02-23 (1871) 15 11-28 (1871) 16 277
1890 03-09 (1890) 18 11-28 (1890) 19 263
1901 03-07 (1901) 16 11-28 (1901) 19 265
1930 03-03 (1930) 18 11-28 (1930) 15 269
1872 03-22 (1872) 17 11-29 (1872) 15 251
1875 03-23 (1875) 13 11-29 (1875) 14 250
1891 03-17 (1891) 19 11-29 (1891) 17 256
1929 03-10 (1929) 12 11-29 (1929) 18 263
1955 03-08 (1955) 19 11-29 (1955) 16 265
1876 03-20 (1876) 15 11-30 (1876) 19 254
1887 03-30 (1887) 16 11-30 (1887) 17 244
1958 02-19 (1958) 12 11-30 (1958) 18 283
1976 03-18 (1976) 19 11-30 (1976) 17 256


 

NY WEST NYACK 1.3 WSW CoCoRaHS 6.7
NJ MAPLEWOOD TWP 0.9 SE CoCoRaHS 6.5
NJ WESTFIELD 0.6 NE CoCoRaHS 6.5
NJ OAKLAND 0.9 SSE CoCoRaHS 6.5
NJ HAWTHORNE 1.0 SSE CoCoRaHS 6.5
NY PEEKSKILL 0.4 N CoCoRaHS 6.5
CT WESTBROOK CENTER 1.5 NE CoCoRaHS 6.5
CT MADISON CENTER 4.1 N CoCoRaHS 6.5
CT NAUGATUCK 1.7 NNE CoCoRaHS 6.5
NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 6.4
NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 6.4
CT NEW CANAAN 1.9 ENE CoCoRaHS 6.4
CT MADISON CENTER 1.6 W CoCoRaHS 6.4
CT MONROE 0.1 SE CoCoRaHS 6.3
NJ HAWTHORNE 0.4 S CoCoRaHS 6.2
NY ARMONK 0.4 E CoCoRaHS 6.2
NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 6.0
NJ NORTH ARLINGTON 0.7 WNW CoCoRaHS 6.0
NJ WAYNE TWP 0.8 SSW CoCoRaHS 6.0
NJ MONTCLAIR 0.7 N CoCoRaHS 6.0
CT NORWALK 2.9 NNW CoCoRaHS 6.0
CT HIGGANUM 0.7 N CoCoRaHS 6.0
CT MYSTIC 0.9 W CoCoRaHS 6.0
CT NORWICH 2.5 NNE CoCoRaHS 6.0
NJ HARRISON COOP 5.8
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN 5.8
CT RIDGEFIELD 1.9 SSE CoCoRaHS 5.8
NJ NEW PROVIDENCE 0.8 ESE CoCoRaHS 5.5
NY BRIGHTWATERS 0.7 NNW CoCoRaHS 5.5
CT DARIEN 2.8 NW CoCoRaHS 5.5
CT DURHAM 1.2 W CoCoRaHS 5.5
NY SYOSSET 2.0 SSW CoCoRaHS 5.4
CT PAWCATUCK 1.8 SSE CoCoRaHS 5.2
CT IVORYTON 0.9 WSW CoCoRaHS 5.1
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 5.0
NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP 5.0
NY WANTAGH 0.3 ESE CoCoRaHS 5.0
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP 5.0
NY NESCONSET 1.4 SSW CoCoRaHS 5.0
CT MONROE 0.8 W CoCoRaHS 5.0
CT KILLINGWORTH 2.6 ESE CoCoRaHS 5.0
CT WALLINGFORD CENTER 3.3 NNW CoCoRaHS 5.0
CT GROTON COOP 5.0
CT NEW LONDON 1.0 NNW CoCoRaHS 5.0
NY MIDDLE VILLAGE 0.5 SW CoCoRaHS 4.9
NY JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 4.8
NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 4.7
NY UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK COOP 4.6
NY WANTAGH 1.1 NNE CoCoRaHS 4.5


 

NJ HARRISON COOP 0
NJ CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 0
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP 0
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 0
NY SHRUB OAK COOP 0
NY MOUNT SINAI COOP 1
CT GROTON NEW LONDON AP WBAN 1
CT GROTON COOP 1
NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 2
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 2
NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 2
NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 2
NY FARMINGDALE REPUBLIC AP WBAN 2
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN 2
NY WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP WBAN 2
CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP 2
NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 3
NY JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 3
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN 3
NY CENTERPORT COOP 3
NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 3
NY MATTITUCK COOP 3
NY BAITING HOLLOW COOP 3
NY UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK COOP 3
NY ORIENT POINT STATE PARK COOP 3
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18 minutes ago, lee59 said:

Temperatures still in the teens in the Hudson Valley and single digits in the Catskills. 21 here. If the wind dies off, could be some below zero readings in the coldest spots tonight.

The snow cover will help with radiating too-if we keep winds calm. Temps having trouble getting over 20 here, like how late Dec should be! 

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Temperatures still in the teens in the Hudson Valley and single digits in the Catskills. 21 here. If the wind dies off, could be some below zero readings in the coldest spots tonight.

Only 11 here. Yesterday’s forecast for today was a high of 20, now it’s adjusted down to a high of 15. Zero for tonight, hot tub time!!


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1 hour ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, November 2018 had impressive snow and cold for so early in the season. It was the 5th earliest date that NYC dropped under 20°. While the winter still averaged warmer than normal, NYC almost made it to 0° in late January. 
 

Frost/Freeze Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
Each section contains date and year of occurrence, value on that date.
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
1933 03-11 (1933) 16 11-16 (1933) 17 249
1924 02-24 (1924) 14 11-17 (1924) 19 266
1936 03-07 (1936) 17 11-18 (1936) 18 255
1879 03-01 (1879) 18 11-21 (1879) 16 264
1987 03-11 (1987) 16 11-21 (1987) 18 254
1880 03-25 (1880) 14 11-22 (1880) 13 241
2018 02-03 (2018) 16 11-22 (2018) 17 291
1888 03-25 (1888) 16 11-23 (1888) 17 242
1938 03-04 (1938) 9 11-25 (1938) 19 265
1932 03-16 (1932) 19 11-26 (1932) 19 254
1903 02-21 (1903) 19 11-27 (1903) 19 278
1917 02-13 (1917) -0 11-27 (1917) 19 286
1871 02-23 (1871) 15 11-28 (1871) 16 277
1890 03-09 (1890) 18 11-28 (1890) 19 263
1901 03-07 (1901) 16 11-28 (1901) 19 265
1930 03-03 (1930) 18 11-28 (1930) 15 269
1872 03-22 (1872) 17 11-29 (1872) 15 251
1875 03-23 (1875) 13 11-29 (1875) 14 250
1891 03-17 (1891) 19 11-29 (1891) 17 256
1929 03-10 (1929) 12 11-29 (1929) 18 263
1955 03-08 (1955) 19 11-29 (1955) 16 265
1876 03-20 (1876) 15 11-30 (1876) 19 254
1887 03-30 (1887) 16 11-30 (1887) 17 244
1958 02-19 (1958) 12 11-30 (1958) 18 283
1976 03-18 (1976) 19 11-30 (1976) 17 256


 

NY WEST NYACK 1.3 WSW CoCoRaHS 6.7
NJ MAPLEWOOD TWP 0.9 SE CoCoRaHS 6.5
NJ WESTFIELD 0.6 NE CoCoRaHS 6.5
NJ OAKLAND 0.9 SSE CoCoRaHS 6.5
NJ HAWTHORNE 1.0 SSE CoCoRaHS 6.5
NY PEEKSKILL 0.4 N CoCoRaHS 6.5
CT WESTBROOK CENTER 1.5 NE CoCoRaHS 6.5
CT MADISON CENTER 4.1 N CoCoRaHS 6.5
CT NAUGATUCK 1.7 NNE CoCoRaHS 6.5
NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 6.4
NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 6.4
CT NEW CANAAN 1.9 ENE CoCoRaHS 6.4
CT MADISON CENTER 1.6 W CoCoRaHS 6.4
CT MONROE 0.1 SE CoCoRaHS 6.3
NJ HAWTHORNE 0.4 S CoCoRaHS 6.2
NY ARMONK 0.4 E CoCoRaHS 6.2
NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 6.0
NJ NORTH ARLINGTON 0.7 WNW CoCoRaHS 6.0
NJ WAYNE TWP 0.8 SSW CoCoRaHS 6.0
NJ MONTCLAIR 0.7 N CoCoRaHS 6.0
CT NORWALK 2.9 NNW CoCoRaHS 6.0
CT HIGGANUM 0.7 N CoCoRaHS 6.0
CT MYSTIC 0.9 W CoCoRaHS 6.0
CT NORWICH 2.5 NNE CoCoRaHS 6.0
NJ HARRISON COOP 5.8
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN 5.8
CT RIDGEFIELD 1.9 SSE CoCoRaHS 5.8
NJ NEW PROVIDENCE 0.8 ESE CoCoRaHS 5.5
NY BRIGHTWATERS 0.7 NNW CoCoRaHS 5.5
CT DARIEN 2.8 NW CoCoRaHS 5.5
CT DURHAM 1.2 W CoCoRaHS 5.5
NY SYOSSET 2.0 SSW CoCoRaHS 5.4
CT PAWCATUCK 1.8 SSE CoCoRaHS 5.2
CT IVORYTON 0.9 WSW CoCoRaHS 5.1
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 5.0
NJ WANAQUE RAYMOND DAM COOP 5.0
NY WANTAGH 0.3 ESE CoCoRaHS 5.0
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP 5.0
NY NESCONSET 1.4 SSW CoCoRaHS 5.0
CT MONROE 0.8 W CoCoRaHS 5.0
CT KILLINGWORTH 2.6 ESE CoCoRaHS 5.0
CT WALLINGFORD CENTER 3.3 NNW CoCoRaHS 5.0
CT GROTON COOP 5.0
CT NEW LONDON 1.0 NNW CoCoRaHS 5.0
NY MIDDLE VILLAGE 0.5 SW CoCoRaHS 4.9
NY JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 4.8
NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 4.7
NY UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK COOP 4.6
NY WANTAGH 1.1 NNE CoCoRaHS 4.5


 

NJ HARRISON COOP 0
NJ CALDWELL ESSEX COUNTY AP WBAN 0
CT STAMFORD 5 N COOP 0
NY WESTCHESTER CO AP WBAN 0
NY SHRUB OAK COOP 0
NY MOUNT SINAI COOP 1
CT GROTON NEW LONDON AP WBAN 1
CT GROTON COOP 1
NJ NEWARK LIBERTY INTL AP WBAN 2
NJ CANOE BROOK COOP 2
NY NY CITY CENTRAL PARK WBAN 2
NJ TETERBORO AIRPORT WBAN 2
NY FARMINGDALE REPUBLIC AP WBAN 2
CT NEW HAVEN TWEED AP WBAN 2
NY WESTHAMPTON GABRESKI AP WBAN 2
CT NORWICH PUBLIC UTILITY PLANT COOP 2
NY LAGUARDIA AIRPORT WBAN 3
NY JFK INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT WBAN 3
CT IGOR I SIKORSKY MEMORIAL AIRPORT WBAN 3
NY CENTERPORT COOP 3
NY ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP WBAN 3
NY MATTITUCK COOP 3
NY BAITING HOLLOW COOP 3
NY UPTON COOP - NWSFO NEW YORK COOP 3
NY ORIENT POINT STATE PARK COOP 3

I think that was the last time we were below 5? I can't remember any time since then that it happened.

 

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3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I think that was the last time we were below 5? I can't remember any time since then that it happened.

 

NYC briefly got down to 3° in February 2023 but it was in a sea of warmth.

 

Climatological Data for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - February 2023
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
Sum 1360 942 - - 665 0 1.28 2.2 -
Average 48.6 33.6 41.1 5.2 - - - - 0.1
Normal 42.2 29.5 35.9 - 816 0 3.19 10.1
2023-02-01 38 26 32.0 -1.7 33 0 0.02 0.4 T
2023-02-02 40 29 34.5 0.7 30 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-03 35 11 23.0 -10.9 42 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-04 27 3 15.0 -19.0 50 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-05 49 27 38.0 3.8 27 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-06 52 34 43.0 8.7 22 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-07 43 30 36.5 2.1 28 0 0.02 0.0 0
2023-02-08 53 39 46.0 11.4 19 0 T 0.0 0
2023-02-09 55 42 48.5 13.7 16 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-10 61 45 53.0 18.1 12 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-11 46 36 41.0 5.9 24 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-12 48 38 43.0 7.7 22 0 0.01 0.0 0
2023-02-13 57 41 49.0 13.6 16 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-14 54 40 47.0 11.4 18 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-15 67 47 57.0 21.2 8 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-16 70 56 63.0 27.0 2 0 0.07 0.0 0
2023-02-17 61 32 46.5 10.3 18 0 0.18 T 0
2023-02-18 43 27 35.0 -1.4 30 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-19 50 37 43.5 6.9 21 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-20 61 47 54.0 17.2 11 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-21 50 37 43.5 6.5 21 0 0.27 0.0 0
2023-02-22 44 37 40.5 3.3 24 0 0.14 T 0
2023-02-23 44 38 41.0 3.6 24 0 0.02 0.0 0
2023-02-24 45 25 35.0 -2.6 30 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-25 33 23 28.0 -9.9 37 0 T T 0
2023-02-26 50 30 40.0 1.9 25 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-27 46 33 39.5 1.2 25 0 0.21 0.9 0
2023-02-28 38 32 35.0 -3.5 30 0 0.34 0.9 2

 

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11 minutes ago, bluewave said:

NYC briefly got down to 3° in February 2023 but it was in a sea of warmth.

 

Climatological Data for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - February 2023
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.
Sum 1360 942 - - 665 0 1.28 2.2 -
Average 48.6 33.6 41.1 5.2 - - - - 0.1
Normal 42.2 29.5 35.9 - 816 0 3.19 10.1
2023-02-01 38 26 32.0 -1.7 33 0 0.02 0.4 T
2023-02-02 40 29 34.5 0.7 30 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-03 35 11 23.0 -10.9 42 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-04 27 3 15.0 -19.0 50 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-05 49 27 38.0 3.8 27 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-06 52 34 43.0 8.7 22 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-07 43 30 36.5 2.1 28 0 0.02 0.0 0
2023-02-08 53 39 46.0 11.4 19 0 T 0.0 0
2023-02-09 55 42 48.5 13.7 16 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-10 61 45 53.0 18.1 12 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-11 46 36 41.0 5.9 24 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-12 48 38 43.0 7.7 22 0 0.01 0.0 0
2023-02-13 57 41 49.0 13.6 16 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-14 54 40 47.0 11.4 18 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-15 67 47 57.0 21.2 8 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-16 70 56 63.0 27.0 2 0 0.07 0.0 0
2023-02-17 61 32 46.5 10.3 18 0 0.18 T 0
2023-02-18 43 27 35.0 -1.4 30 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-19 50 37 43.5 6.9 21 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-20 61 47 54.0 17.2 11 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-21 50 37 43.5 6.5 21 0 0.27 0.0 0
2023-02-22 44 37 40.5 3.3 24 0 0.14 T 0
2023-02-23 44 38 41.0 3.6 24 0 0.02 0.0 0
2023-02-24 45 25 35.0 -2.6 30 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-25 33 23 28.0 -9.9 37 0 T T 0
2023-02-26 50 30 40.0 1.9 25 0 0.00 0.0 0
2023-02-27 46 33 39.5 1.2 25 0 0.21 0.9 0
2023-02-28 38 32 35.0 -3.5 30 0 0.34 0.9 2

 

Our cold spells seem to be much shorter than they used to be (but the same goes for our heat waves, 3-4 day heatwaves at most, longer ones seem to have become rare.)

 

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