New England Winter 2024-25 Bantering, Whining, and Sobbing Thread

[cleetussnow]

ATC effed up?  Who was controlling the helo?  It should not be anywhere near final approach.  Sick to my stomach over this.  

[DavisStraight]

3 hours ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

Are they much different looking than great blue heron?  We see those pretty often.  Flying dinosaurs.

 

We go kayaking in Royalston and they like to inhabit a river that flows into there.  As we paddle up the river, they watch us, wondering if we taste good...

Pretty similar, I see great blues a lot when I'm in your area and first time I saw one I was wondering what it was, it was flying right above my vehicle a little in front, thought it was a tetradactyl.

[cleetussnow]

23 minutes ago, cleetussnow said:

ATC effed up?  Who was controlling the helo?  It should not be anywhere near final approach.  Sick to my stomach over this.  

Listened the atc…

jet checks in and asks to land

Helo checks in a couple mins later with atc And the helo was given a traffic advisory on the jet

and about 20 seconds before impact, helo was asked if they had viz on the jet and instructed the helo to come in behind the jet 

No response on the atc freq that I could hear, but the helo could have been on a different freq.

then it happened

it appears for some reason the helo didn’t comply with atc.

everyone will be asking why helos cross the final approach at reagan but thats normal i guess.  Maybe not anymore.

 

[OceanStWx]

I know @ORH_wxman and I were joking about our early days learning to forecast in Ithaca and the models we were using...

But I am transposing my notes from our recent NWS-wide ensemble fluency training and they displayed a graphic showing how models have advanced since the 1960s. 

Now I knew it was a big deal when the Eta went down below 25 km (roughly the same as the current GEFS), but it sends a shock through me when I see the MRF/AVN sitting there at 160 km. 

[ORH_wxman]

10 minutes ago, OceanStWx said:

I know @ORH_wxman and I were joking about our early days learning to forecast in Ithaca and the models we were using...

But I am transposing my notes from our recent NWS-wide ensemble fluency training and they displayed a graphic showing how models have advanced since the 1960s. 

Now I knew it was a big deal when the Eta went down below 25 km (roughly the same as the current GEFS), but it sends a shock through me when I see the MRF/AVN sitting there at 160 km. 

Did they mention the Global Spectral Model? Or LFM? 

[OceanStWx]

26 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Did they mention the Global Spectral Model? Or LFM? 

300 km and 191 km

The point they were trying to make with the training is that a model can only resolve something about 5 times larger than it's grid spacing (because you need to capture the max and min of the wave, plus the beginning, end, and middle of the wave). So that 160 km "upgraded" MRF/AVN could resolve a feature as large as around 800 km. 

In case we all wondered by it sucked at CAD.

[ORH_wxman]

5 minutes ago, OceanStWx said:

300 km and 191 km

The point they were trying to make with the training is that a model can only resolve something about 5 times larger than it's grid spacing (because you need to capture the max and min of the wave, plus the beginning, end, and middle of the wave). So that 160 km "upgraded" MRF/AVN could resolve a feature as large as around 800 km. 

In case we all wondered by it sucked at CAD.

I remember even as recently as the 2008 ice storm the GFS had low 40s in ORH overnight between the 11th and 12th (the period when most ice accumulated)…it was ghastly. We obviously knew to ignore it back then with the mesos showing differently but it is still funny to think about. It’s def come a long way in resolving CAD.