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December 2024 - Best look to an early December pattern in many a year!


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3 minutes ago, DavisStraight said:

I just drove an hour and a half in rain in the dark, not a fun ride, maybe need those night time glasses.

I have a prescription for those but I’ve been procrastinating getting them because I think I’m younger than I am.

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From the Mid Atlantic December thread:

5 hours ago, cbmclean said:

Is this some sort of unexpected development?

It’s also worth pointing out that some have transitioned to rooting for EPO driven cold patterns because lately our more classical ways to snow have failed due to not being cold enough. But this last week was an example of the issue with that.  EPO driven patterns are often dry when it’s cold.  2014 and 2015 were anomalies not normal.  

 

Looking at the 18z GFS it seems he is correct. Granted maybe it doesn't apply as much up here because of Miller Bs but those usually screw my area without blocking.

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15 minutes ago, H2Otown_WX said:

From the Mid Atlantic December thread:

It’s also worth pointing out that some have transitioned to rooting for EPO driven cold patterns because lately our more classical ways to snow have failed due to not being cold enough. But this last week was an example of the issue with that.  EPO driven patterns are often dry when it’s cold.  2014 and 2015 were anomalies not normal.  

 

Looking at the 18z GFS it seems he is correct. Granted maybe it doesn't apply as much up here because of Miller Bs but those usually screw my area without blocking.

What is the context of this? And yeah EPO is overrated imo when it comes to snow. Maybe if it overlaps some with the PNA domain.

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9 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

What is the context of this? And yeah EPO is overrated imo when it comes to snow. Maybe if it overlaps some with the PNA domain.

He was initially talking about how they need cold anomalies to snow down there but they're getting harder and harder to come by because of how expansive the warmer than normal anomalies have been:

If you pull back and stop focusing on our locations specific snow chances the biggest issue I see is this…

We need cold anomalies to snow. Our coldest day of the year has an avg high near 40. But if you simply look at a 5 or 10 day mean temp anomaly for the whole northern hemisphere the warm expanse outnumbers cold by 2 and sometimes 3-1 across the mid latitudes. 
 

We got lucky recently that one of the small (globally speaking) pockets of cold did end up over us for a week, but how often are we going to win if we need cold and 2/3 of the whole hemisphere is warm at any given time?

 

Again, maybe this applies more to them than to us?

 

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8 minutes ago, Prismshine Productions said:

...those exist?

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I think it's pretty much like wearing your sunglasses at night or when it's real foggy. So in other words they kind of work. My old roommate from baton rouge swore by wearing sunglasses when it was pouring rain. It actually does work a little.

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26 minutes ago, H2Otown_WX said:

He was initially talking about how they need cold anomalies to snow down there but they're getting harder and harder to come by because of how expansive the warmer than normal anomalies have been:

If you pull back and stop focusing on our locations specific snow chances the biggest issue I see is this…

We need cold anomalies to snow. Our coldest day of the year has an avg high near 40. But if you simply look at a 5 or 10 day mean temp anomaly for the whole northern hemisphere the warm expanse outnumbers cold by 2 and sometimes 3-1 across the mid latitudes. 
 

We got lucky recently that one of the small (globally speaking) pockets of cold did end up over us for a week, but how often are we going to win if we need cold and 2/3 of the whole hemisphere is warm at any given time?

 

Again, maybe this applies more to them than to us?

 

13-14 was good for them with an EPO. They can do it with a more active srn stream and +PNA. But part of the problem with a +PNA for them is if we see a more active nrn stream. That usually skunks them of moisture and can warm them up if it tracks off of NJ. In theory they’d want some serious blocking to help present that. 

 

It has become harder for them to snow as we warm. The Pacific pattern hasn’t helped either recently. 

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30.9°/30.7°, just hit the 3.0" mark.

Amazon is still insisting that I have a package out for delivery by 10PM and it's something that requires a signature - so I guess I'm staying up. Don't think that's gonna happen. In a horrible twist of irony, the package is a pair of snow boots. (Also, why the hell are they requiring a sig for a $120 pair of shoes?)

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7 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

Just beautiful snowy evening… I really hope you guys down south get some snow soon.  Truly, everyone should be able to enjoy snowy evenings.

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We got 3” back on Thursday…it was a start. The rain washed it away this afternoon. Now we gotta wait.  Yours will go Wednesday.

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8 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

We got 3” back on Thursday…it was a start. The rain washed it away this afternoon. Now we gotta wait.  Yours will go Wednesday.

That’s not the optimism we are used to from the Wolf…trying to melt off snow.  You’re supposed to say “we don’t know yet, could go either way” lol.

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16 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

That’s not the optimism we are used to from the Wolf…trying to melt off snow.  You’re supposed to say “we don’t know yet, could go either way” lol.

Lol…I only say that when it’s true. We know that Wednesday is the day it washes away. 

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1 hour ago, kdxken said:

I think it's pretty much like wearing your sunglasses at night or when it's real foggy. So in other words they kind of work. My old roommate from baton rouge swore by wearing sunglasses when it was pouring rain. It actually does work a little.

You can’t give me an opening like that and not expect this:

 

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