Lava Rock Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 31.8F. Caught this cam shot at home. thought it was nice. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Boston is in need of 17.1" of snow by the end of the month to avoid its least snowy 2 years on record. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. If December is mostly snowless, then this record could be blown out of the water. Likely a snow drought unlike any other in the city's long and storied history. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 2 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Boston is in need of 17.1" of snow by the end of the month to avoid its least snowy 2 years on record. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. If December is mostly snowless, then this record could be blown out of the water. Likely a snow drought unlike any other in the city's long and storied history. Just think of all the times in history to be alive as a snow lover, and this is one we get. Unreal. Boston just had its 3rd least snowy 2 year period ending in 2021, which, of course, is almost certain to drop into 4th barring some late month nor'easter magic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 28 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Just think of all the times in history to be alive as a snow lover, and this is one we get. Unreal. Boston just had its 3rd least snowy 2 year period ending in 2021, which, of course, is almost certain to drop into 4th barring some late month nor'easter magic. I’ve been fortunate to be alive in the snowiest 30 years ever. 6 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 38 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Just think of all the times in history to be alive as a snow lover, and this is one we get. Unreal. Boston just had its 3rd least snowy 2 year period ending in 2021, which, of course, is almost certain to drop into 4th barring some late month nor'easter magic. Boston just had like two decades of very snowy winters in the means didn’t it? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 22 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Boston just had like two decades of very snowy winters in the means didn’t it? well .. to be empathetic to the solemn singers, it's been since 2015 ... mmm 9 years is for all intents and purposes a decade, that much of coastal mass has seen normal snow. so saying "just had" ...that's a little gaslighty hahaha. seriously though, it's getting on in age at this point. thing is, we may have slipped over a climate threshold where these 9 years worth of sore butting becomes more normal. i know that's probably going to earn me 0 love hearts, no 100 %'s ... no thankyous and a pile of shit or two, but this is unfortunately our non-zero possible reality at this point. that said, this winter will probably go on to conquer all evil ... just to enable. but the price in selling to that devil might be a new fresh hell of 12 years again over before we pull the cosmic d out of our cc bums ... a time in which the polar ice free waters for the first time. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wokeupthisam Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 7 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said: well .. to be empathetic to the solemn singers, it's been since 2015 ... mmm 9 years is for all intents and purposes a decade, that much of coastal mass has seen normal snow. so saying "just had" ...that's a little gaslighty hahaha. seriously though, it's getting on in age at this point. thing is, we may have slipped over a climate threshold where these 9 years worth of sore butting becomes more normal. i know that's probably going to earn me 0 love hearts, no 100 %'s ... no thankyous and a pile of shit or two, but this is unfortunately our non-zero possible reality at this point. that said, this winter will probably go on to conquer all evil ... just to enable. but the price in selling to that devil might be a new fresh hell of 12 years again over before we pull the cosmic d out of our cc bums ... a time in which the polar ice free waters for the first time. Yeah talk to those of us who lived thru the 80s LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 1 hour ago, TheClimateChanger said: Just think of all the times in history to be alive as a snow lover, and this is one we get. Unreal. Boston just had its 3rd least snowy 2 year period ending in 2021, which, of course, is almost certain to drop into 4th barring some late month nor'easter magic. Really? As the MET just posted, they also enjoyed(if you like snow) their snowiest 30 years since they’ve been keeping records. So I mean let’s not get too dramatic. It’s been a rough few years no doubt…but regression had to step in eventually. But They’ll rebound. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 2 hours ago, CoastalWx said: Still could be a torch and flood too. The KWFS index flipped suddenly this morning when it initialized during the clipper jack. The warm and dry winter outlook has been tossed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 The past few winters have been relatively bad but NE as a whole has seen (at least) three major nor'easters/blizzards in the past several years. It's all-or-nothing, whereas the 1980's were more consistently poor with more nuisance/mid tier/flip to ice rainers 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 1 minute ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: The KWFS index flipped suddenly this morning when it initialized during the clipper jack. The warm and dry winter outlook has been tossed. when the beer buzz is gone with an atmospheric river setup on the horizon, we'll see 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx2fish Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 18 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said: well .. to be empathetic to the solemn singers, it's been since 2015 ... mmm 9 years is for all intents and purposes a decade, that much of coastal mass has seen normal snow. so saying "just had" ...that's a little gaslighty hahaha. seriously though, it's getting on in age at this point. thing is, we may have slipped over a climate threshold where these 9 years worth of sore butting becomes more normal. i know that's probably going to earn me 0 love hearts, no 100 %'s ... no thankyous and a pile of shit or two, but this is unfortunately our non-zero possible reality at this point. that said, this winter will probably go on to conquer all evil ... just to enable. but the price in selling to that devil might be a new fresh hell of 12 years again over before we pull the cosmic d out of our cc bums ... a time in which the polar ice free waters for the first time. Boston was above normal in 21-22 along with the monster Jan storm. BN stretch has been longer for us NE MA and SE NH folk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prismshine Productions Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Looks like the GFS might have overclocked the warm up... We might be ok by Holiday WeekSent from my SM-S146VL using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 17 minutes ago, wx2fish said: Boston was above normal in 21-22 along with the monster Jan storm. BN stretch has been longer for us NE MA and SE NH folk oh i was being kinda of glib - but yeah..it's more where i am frankly. haha. altho q, was boston's above normal in 20/21 from one or two storm type of deal? we've been getting a lot of season-in-one or two storm type years too, which i think shouldn't be used in any affectation based discussion because it's not fair. waahh i can tell you that the 'method' in which these bn years have taken place is very different comparing the 1980s to this last 9 years. that's part of the it - 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 21 minutes ago, WinterWolf said: Really? As the MET just posted, they also enjoyed(if you like snow) their snowiest 30 years since they’ve been keeping records. So I mean let’s not get too dramatic. It’s been a rough few years no doubt…but regression had to step in eventually. But They’ll rebound. Color me a little skeptical of the NOAA numbers, when these are the trends in snow cover. 1892 had 137 days with 1" or more snow cover, and 80 days with 6" or more of snow cover at Boston. Yet they claim only 50.5" fell that year. 50.5" in 1892 is not equivalent to the same amount in 2024. To quote the sitting president, c'mon man. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wx2fish Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 8 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said: oh i was being kinda of glib - but yeah..it's more where i am frankly. haha. altho q, was boston's above normal in 20/21 from one or two storm type of deal? we've been getting a lot of season-in-one or two storm type years too, which i think shouldn't be used in any affectation based discussion because it's not fair. waahh i can tell you that the 'method' in which these bn years have taken place is very different comparing the 1980s to this last 9 years. that's part of the it - Yeah 12" and 24" events in Jan 2022. I get your point though, can be skewed by larger events. Although, Boston is probbaly more prone to that type of distribution with a lower seasonal avg near the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheClimateChanger Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 8 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Color me a little skeptical of the NOAA numbers, when these are the trends in snow cover. 1892 had 137 days with 1" or more snow cover, and 80 days with 6" or more of snow cover at Boston. Yet they claim only 50.5" fell that year. 50.5" in 1892 is not equivalent to the same amount in 2024. To quote the sitting president, c'mon man. Actually, I looked into the 1892 numbers. It seems "snow depth" back then was just a running count of how much snow had fallen during the month, so yeah that's nonsense. But even tossing out the first handful of years, the trend is down there. No idea why they stopped observing snow depth in 2004, or the trend would probably down even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prismshine Productions Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Not great not terrible, but better than the doomer scenerio Sent from my SM-S146VL using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenmtnwx Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Unfortunately, that day 6 cutter looks like a high QPF resort wrecker event. All these early season gains could go up in smoke. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 13 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Actually, I looked into the 1892 numbers. It seems "snow depth" back then was just a running count of how much snow had fallen during the month, so yeah that's nonsense. But even tossing out the first handful of years, the trend is down there. No idea why they stopped observing snow depth in 2004, or the trend would probably down even more. With some of their biggest winters after 04, I don’t know. But whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 21 minutes ago, greenmtnwx said: Unfortunately, that day 6 cutter looks like a high QPF resort wrecker event. All these early season gains could go up in smoke. That will not happen with that HP up there . Will be a chilly Rainer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 18 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said: Actually, I looked into the 1892 numbers. It seems "snow depth" back then was just a running count of how much snow had fallen during the month, so yeah that's nonsense. But even tossing out the first handful of years, the trend is down there. No idea why they stopped observing snow depth in 2004, or the trend would probably down even more. There’s an extremely low chance that any 30 year period since BOS kept records was snowier than the 1990-2020 period. Snow cover is a different animal but you wouldn’t be able to compare pre-Logan airport to Logan airport obs anyway since Logan is in a munch worse spot for both snow and snow cover than even the old site a little bit inland in the city. But snow cover is definitely more correlated to avg temperature than just snowfall which has a larger precip anomaly component to it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 10 minutes ago, greenmtnwx said: Unfortunately, that day 6 cutter looks like a high QPF resort wrecker event. All these early season gains could go up in smoke. I mean it sucks but I think we are all becoming comfortably numb with regards to these annual December disaster cutters. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynwx99 Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 14 minutes ago, Prismshine Productions said: Not great not terrible, but better than the doomer scenerio Sent from my SM-S146VL using Tapatalk this is total ass verbatim. we're going to warm up for a week to 10 days. just a matter of if it holds on through the holidays my inclination is that we break colder around Christmas but we'll see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthCoastMA Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 2 minutes ago, brooklynwx99 said: this is total ass verbatim. we're going to warm up for a week to 10 days. just a matter of if it holds on through the holidays my inclination is that we break colder around Christmas but we'll see not sure why day 15 GFS OP was posted, but agreed it's a shit pattern regardless thru 12/20 plus..per the ensembles 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Weenieshine… Close the shades until 2025 especially for SNE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooklynwx99 Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 Just now, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Weenieshine… Close the shades until 2025 especially for SNE. i never see the point in completely canning the majority of a month when parts of SNE just got their first accumulating snow of the year last night. it looks pretty crappy but stuff can just pop up sometimes also there looks like a warm front / WAA light snow possibility tomorrow night. maybe an inch in spots. it's something 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted December 5 Share Posted December 5 7 minutes ago, brooklynwx99 said: i never see the point in completely canning the majority of a month when parts of SNE just got their first accumulating snow of the year last night. it looks pretty crappy but stuff can just pop up sometimes also there looks like a warm front / WAA light snow possibility tomorrow night. maybe an inch in spots. it's something Ok that was a tad ballsy. Never say never (thanks wolfie) but the odds are severely stacked against us rest of month imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prismshine Productions Posted December 6 Share Posted December 6 Ok that was a tad ballsy. Never say never (thanks wolfie) but the odds are severely stacked against us rest of month imo. ...do you believe in miracles?Sent from my SM-S146VL using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisrotary12 Posted December 6 Share Posted December 6 When did they move the obs location into the Atlantic? How would the snow total for last 2 years look if the obs were from downtown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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