December 2024 - Best look to an early December pattern in many a year!

[brooklynwx99]

Just now, CoastalWx said:

That gfs solution is close to a lot of fun, but seems like a stretch. We’ll see. 
 

It would be akin to a moral victory. Even if we had the euro cutter several days later, it just gets the monkey off your back that seemingly has been like a Gorilla on your back since 2022. 

FWIW the ECMWF did move towards a more GFS-like northern stream at 06z. look over western Canada

[CoastalWx]

Just now, brooklynwx99 said:

FWIW the ECMWF did move towards a more GFS-like northern stream at 06z. look over western Canada

Yeah I saw that on weather.cod earlier. A great airmass would precede that. Can we get a break? lol.

[bwt3650]

Just let up, but was dumping snow the last two hours..cold, winter vibe here.




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[EastonSN+]

Only looking at the MJO, however, the mid month warm up seems to align with the MJO phases below (taking lag into consideration). If the wave can stay together should reach 781 by January.

[ORH_wxman]

1 minute ago, EastonSN+ said:

Only looking at the MJO, however, the mid month warm up seems to align with the MJO phases below (taking lag into consideration). If the wave can stay together should reach 781 by January.

MJO wave looks pretty weak once past the second week of December on most progs…we’ll see if it stays that way but I’d suspect it isn’t the primary pattern driver by that point if it verifies that weak. 

[Prismshine Productions]

12z GFS is Clipper City

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[Lava Rock]

Decent day in Bretton Woods. No MWN views today. 30F

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[EastonSN+]

32 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

MJO wave looks pretty weak once past the second week of December on most progs…we’ll see if it stays that way but I’d suspect it isn’t the primary pattern driver by that point if it verifies that weak. 

I may be wrong, however I was thinking we needed the wave to remain strong to counteract the strengthening PV (at least this is what is on the Eric Web Twitter post from earlier). I am unfamiliar with the driving force behind the EPO/PNA, however on the ensembles it seems to be migrating off the coast, and perhaps that is typical with La Ninas.

[WinterWolf]

14 minutes ago, Prismshine Productions said:

12z GFS is Clipper City

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There will be opportunities….gotta hope we can capitalize on a couple. No different than any other decent set up.  

[Prismshine Productions]

Cut these in half but... Gridbuster

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[40/70 Benchmark]

7 minutes ago, EastonSN+ said:

I may be wrong, however I was thinking we needed the wave to remain strong to counteract the strengthening PV (at least this is what is on the Eric Web Twitter post from earlier). I am unfamiliar with the driving force behind the EPO/PNA, however on the ensembles it seems to be migrating off the coast, and perhaps that is typical with La Ninas.

The strengthening PV can lock the Pacific pattern into place. 

[weathafella]

3 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said:

Morch can snow but it ain’t winter . Totally different month than Dec 

We go thru this every year 

I actually agree with this but I also acknowledge climo.  December isn’t as snowy as March most years.  Normal high temperature for BOS 12/1 is 46-similar to mid March.   However you’re clearly in deep winter by the December solstice.  It’s just the seasonal lag means we wait to later in December.  But Kev is right-March while often snowy has a spring vibe and December a winter one.

[weathafella]

2 hours ago, jbenedet said:

Coldologists are killin’ it.

Now how do they get promoted to snowologists? 
 

We have an intensive synchronous on line course.   I used to lead it but now I leave it to the next generation which is great because I don’t like to get up too early.

[WinterWolf]

11 minutes ago, weathafella said:

I actually agree with this but I also acknowledge climo.  December isn’t as snowy as March most years.  Normal high temperature for BOS 12/1 is 46-similar to mid March.   However you’re clearly in deep winter by the December solstice.  It’s just the seasonal lag means we wait to later in December.  But Kev is right-March while often snowy has a spring vibe and December a winter one.

When it’s a big storm, and you’re in the midst of it  …it’s always a winter vibe. Tell that to Ray in March of 18 that it didn’t feel like winter when he bagged a 30 spot!  

[Torch Tiger]

23 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

There will be opportunities….gotta hope we can capitalize on a couple. No different than any other decent set up.  

We just don't know...and things will change

[bwt3650]

Nuking snow again…4-6 so far and natural ropes dropping..




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[weathafella]

2 minutes ago, bwt3650 said:

Nuking snow again…4-6 so far and natural ropes dropping..




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Looks great but “nuking snow” with visibility shown doesn’t pass the “I’m not a weenie” test.

[weathafella]

29 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

When it’s a big storm, and you’re in the midst of it  …it’s always a winter vibe. Tell that to Ray in March of 18 that it didn’t feel like winter when he bagged a 30 spot!  

Disagree.  I’ve been in many a March snow bomb in the 1950s and 60s and it’s not the same.  March of 18 was great but even it lacked a midwinter vibe.  The only exception I can think of is 3/3/60.  That felt like January.

[Torch Tiger]

wow

[WinterWolf]

6 minutes ago, weathafella said:

Disagree.  I’ve been in many a March snow bomb in the 1950s and 60s and it’s not the same.  March of 18 was great but even it lacked a midwinter vibe.  The only exception I can think of is 3/3/60.  That felt like January.

Well it’s very subjective…I disagree when it’s a good/great storm, and temps in the 20’s.  4/6/82 was a mid winter blizzard(you didn’t know if it was April or February)..so again, it all depends, and is subjective.   4/1/97 and 3/14/93 too….those were both legit mid winter bombs. 

[WxWatcher007]

Late March is also very different from early March in terms of feel. 

[bwt3650]

Looks great but “nuking snow” with visibility shown doesn’t pass the “I’m not a weenie” test.

1. I am a snow weenie.
2. Pic is about an hour ago..It’s nuking in my opinion, but I get it..currently




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[weathafella]

8 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

Well it’s very subjective…I disagree when it’s a good/great storm, and temps in the 20’s.  4/6/82 was a mid winter blizzard(you didn’t know if it was April or February)..so again, it all depends, and is subjective.   4/1/97 and 3/14/93 too….those were both legit mid winter bombs. 

Well I was not here for 82 but sorry-as amazing as 97 was, the day before was spring like and we lost 6 inches of it when the snow started tapering off before the sun came out as the storm ended.  93 was legit but it changed over to rain here kind of killing the winter vibe.  Contrast to 12/12/60, 12/5-7/03, 12/26/10 which we’re more wintry than the outlier once in a lifetimes late season.

[weathafella]

4 minutes ago, bwt3650 said:

1. I am a snow weenie.
2. Pic is about an hour ago..It’s nuking in my opinion, but I get it..currently




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This picture actually looks like heavy snow.

[WinterWolf]

5 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said:

Late March is also very different from early March in terms of feel. 

For sure.
 

But even in late March, if the storm is truly legit, it won’t matter. We’ve seen it before.  They have to be great though. 

[WxWatcher007]

4 minutes ago, WinterWolf said:

For sure.
 

But even in late March, if the storm is truly legit, it won’t matter. We’ve seen it before.  They have to be great though. 

The best late March snows are the late day into evening ones. Unless you’re mentally done with winter and don’t want to shovel your driveway lol. 

[WinterWolf]

3 minutes ago, weathafella said:

Well I was not here for 82 but sorry-as amazing as 97 was, the day before was spring like and we lost 6 inches of it when the snow started tapering off before the sun came out as the storm ended.  93 was legit but it changed over to rain here kind of killing the winter vibe.  Contrast to 12/12/60, 12/5-7/03, 12/26/10 which we’re more wintry than the outlier once in a lifetimes late season.

We’ll have to agree to disagree.  I feel differently if it’s a truly legit system. And I’ve Been in many a big March storm, and it can have a mid winter vibe while it’s happening.  But that’s just me.   
 

But I agree, I hope we can get some December snow this year…it’s awesome this time of year. 

 

[George001]

31 minutes ago, Torch Tiger said:

wow

Massive ice storm for New England 

[Torch Tiger]

25 minutes ago, George001 said:

Massive ice storm for New England 

Yeah CNE/NNE, pouring rain and 50's here.  Maybe a few bangers if we're lucky

[Snowcrazed71]

51 minutes ago, bwt3650 said:

1. I am a snow weenie.
2. Pic is about an hour ago..It’s nuking in my opinion, but I get it..currently




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1 hour ago, Torch Tiger said:

wow

I'm sure this will not be the final outcome...but, there's a storm A-Brewin!!