BrianW Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 42 minutes ago, dendrite said: 35.7° -RA Pack is softening up What tree is that in the middle? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 7 minutes ago, BrianW said: What tree is that in the middle? With leaves? American chesnut. The one on the left is a honeycrisp apple. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisStraight Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 1 hour ago, dendrite said: With leaves? American chesnut. The one on the left is a honeycrisp apple. Get any apples yet? I have two apple trees, last two years I got a total of 3 apples and the trees are bigger than yours, maybe I'm doing something wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 2 hours ago, dendrite said: With leaves? American chesnut. The one on the left is a honeycrisp apple. Is that a blight-resistant American Chestnut? If not, being isolated like that might help it survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said: Is that a blight-resistant American Chestnut? If not, being isolated like that might help it survive. No. None are really resistant. But they’re from parentage that survived many decades while battling the blight cankers to produce seeds. The american chestnut foundation collects pollen from the few remaining large trees and pollinates the others in the eastern US. Oaks carry the blight so there’s really no escaping it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 1 minute ago, dendrite said: No. None are really resistant. But they’re from parentage that survived many decades while battling the blight cankers to produce seeds. The american chestnut foundation collects pollen from the few remaining large trees and pollinates the others in the eastern US. Oaks carry the blight so there’s really no escaping it. We have a bunch in one of the nature preserves in Hopkinton near us, but all the saplings split open once they grow large enough. It’s weird how the trees are totally fine until they get to a certain size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 2 hours ago, DavisStraight said: Get any apples yet? I have two apple trees, last two years I got a total of 3 apples and the trees are bigger than yours, maybe I'm doing something wrong? Yeah I got a few, but rootstock makes a big difference on size, precociousness, and biennialism. Honeycrisp tends to want to really flower every other year unless you prune it hard annually. Are yours honeycrisp? I’ve become more of a pear guy. Ripe pears off the tree are amazing. Here’s an apple off the above tree. This is all no spray. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianW Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 3 hours ago, dendrite said: With leaves? American chesnut. The one on the left is a honeycrisp apple. Awesome. That's what I thought it was. Was just going to ask if it was a blight resistant one but saw someone else chimed in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 8 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: We have a bunch in one of the nature preserves in Hopkinton near us, but all the saplings split open once they grow large enough. It’s weird how the trees are totally fine until they get to a certain size. When they get old enough for the bark to start to fissure is when the demise usually starts. It gives more openings for the blight to get in. Some of these younger trees with improved resistance develop something called “cruddy bark” now which is the tree battling the fungus and trying to heal over it. It enables them to grow long enough to reach maturity. That’s really the key for bringing the tree back. If they can all live 20-30 years and just be able to reproduce they can slowly try to evolve on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 2 minutes ago, BrianW said: Awesome. That's what I thought it was. Was just going to ask if it was a blight resistant one but saw someone else chimed in. Here’s pics from my 3 biggest trees last spring. Gene has some too. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Kart Mozart Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 9 minutes ago, dendrite said: When they get old enough for the bark to start to fissure is when the demise usually starts. It gives more openings for the blight to get in. Some of these younger trees with improved resistance develop something called “cruddy bark” now which is the tree battling the fungus and trying to heal over it. It enables them to grow long enough to reach maturity. That’s really the key for bringing the tree back. If they can all live 20-30 years and just be able to reproduce they can slowly try to evolve on their own. I have heard that a 10% blend with the Chinese chestnut gives them resistance. Is that accurate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 Just now, Go Kart Mozart said: I have heard that a 10% blend with the Chinese chestnut gives them resistance. Is that accurate? Not really. The Chinese hybrids with backcrossing back to American have struggled. And they quickly lose their american traits, like towering height, which makes them fail in forest settings since they can’t compete with oaks, maples, pine, etc. Those dunstan trees you may see are mostly chinese…probably 80-90%. So those will survive, but you may as well plant a chinese tree. If someone wants to grow chestnuts for improved nut production there’s a lot of great hybdrid varieties out there with huge, tasty nuts with good blight resistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 14 minutes ago, dendrite said: Here’s pics from my 3 biggest trees last spring. Gene has some too. What was Stein and his webbed hands doing on your property? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisStraight Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 35 minutes ago, dendrite said: Yeah I got a few, but rootstock makes a big difference on size, precociousness, and biennialism. Honeycrisp tends to want to really flower every other year unless you prune it hard annually. Are yours honeycrisp? I’ve become more of a pear guy. Ripe pears off the tree are amazing. Here’s an apple off the above tree. This is all no spray. I have a delicious and I forget the other one, I have a pear tree too that has given a lot of fruit in the past but the tree needs pruning this winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 13 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: What was Stein and his webbed hands doing on your property? lolwut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 16 minutes ago, dendrite said: lolwut Those hands are his . Just prowling thru your plants and hair 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdxken Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said: We have a bunch in one of the nature preserves in Hopkinton near us, but all the saplings split open once they grow large enough. It’s weird how the trees are totally fine until they get to a certain size. The splitting open is more likely a deer rub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdxken Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 54 minutes ago, dendrite said: Here’s pics from my 3 biggest trees last spring. Gene has some too. Doubt you'll have much success. But good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdxken Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 59 minutes ago, dendrite said: When they get old enough for the bark to start to fissure is when the demise usually starts. It gives more openings for the blight to get in. Some of these younger trees with improved resistance develop something called “cruddy bark” now which is the tree battling the fungus and trying to heal over it. It enables them to grow long enough to reach maturity. That’s really the key for bringing the tree back. If they can all live 20-30 years and just be able to reproduce they can slowly try to evolve on their own. The one I showed you earlier this year is probably pushing 20. Got to be 30 ft tall. No signs on the bark yet but I imagine it's not going to survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 4 minutes ago, kdxken said: Doubt you'll have much success. But good luck! I expect them to die within 10-15 years. The goal was to get these to survive until the ones modified with the blight resistant gene are introduced…but that suffered a setback after the lead scientist died and there was a mixup with which trees were what. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 4 minutes ago, kdxken said: The one I showed you earlier this year is probably pushing 20. Got to be 30 ft tall. No signs on the bark yet but I imagine it's not going to survive. Didn’t your daughter live up on the hill here? I took a ride further up this summer and saw a bunch of suckers growing off the side of the road…probably 850ft up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdxken Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 49 minutes ago, dendrite said: Didn’t your daughter live up on the hill here? I took a ride further up this summer and saw a bunch of suckers growing off the side of the road…probably 850ft up. Yep she lived right at the top of the hill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdxken Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 54 minutes ago, dendrite said: I expect them to die within 10-15 years. The goal was to get these to survive until the ones modified with the blight resistant gene are introduced…but that suffered a setback after the lead scientist died and there was a mixup with which trees were what. Nice to see people trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 45/41 now at MVL. Mixed out finally in the valleys. Snowpack isn’t loving 40 dews. Temp went 37F to 45F in an hour, late in the evening. Locally at the nearest PWS is showing 43F. Coldest in the topographic bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 33.4° here with fog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 3 minutes ago, dendrite said: 33.4° here with fog Snow melt pouring off the roof here. Thick fog too. It’s like it’s gotten into the warm sector but keeps wanting to radiate to the dew point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 11 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Snow melt pouring off the roof here. Thick fog too. It’s like it’s gotten into the warm sector but keeps wanting to radiate to the dew point. We’ve had some really strong winds here. Neighbor’s Christmas tree went rolling through my front yard like a tumbleweed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 13 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Snow melt pouring off the roof here. Thick fog too. It’s like it’s gotten into the warm sector but keeps wanting to radiate to the dew point. Melting snow latently cools too. So if you don’t keep that warm sector mixing down the cold wants to pool back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 Just mixed out. Up to 48° and pouring. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 Gorgeous morning 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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