December 2024 - Best look to an early December pattern in many a year!

[TheClimateChanger]

12 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

This has always been my premise. When you look at similar ancient climate regimes with large inland bodies of water, you always find very warm subtropical flora and fauna well up into the mid and high latitudes. 

If you look at Cleveland, you can see traditionally it was zone 5 to cold zone 6, but now is firmly zone 7. 2023 was the first year [since 1960] with Zone 8 conditions. I don't put a whole lot of stock in the pre-1960 numbers due to a variety of reasons. Moving forward with these trends, it's reasonable to expect Zone 8 conditions to fully envelope this region by the latter half of this century. If warming continues, zones 9 to 10 look likely for next century. I've never seen a valid rebuttal to this. Only, oh shut up, Cleveland won't look like Miami. You are trolling.

And anyone saying I'm being alarmist, look at the data yourself. For the first 30 years of this dataset, there is only one zone 7 year (1964), with a few others right at 0 [cusp of 6/7]. 6 of the last nine years have been zone 7, with one of those being zone 8 conditions. What used to be exceptionally rare, is now the norm and characteristic of the climate of Cleveland. All I'm doing is extrapolating the trend, which I find to also be consistent with my understanding of prior similar climate regimes.

[weatherwiz]

2 minutes ago, Cyclone-68 said:

So now about 1,030 days since our last 4+ inch snowfall around here? (Eastern MA). That’s a pretty amazing statistic I think 

Long stretches (stretches = years) below-average snowfall and little snow for the coastal Plain. It's what we have to get used too.

[Cyclone-68]

Just now, weatherwiz said:

Long stretches (stretches = years) below-average snowfall and little snow for the coastal Plain. It's what we have to get used too.

Well if that’s going to happen then I hope we get more severe in the warm months to balance out the atmosphere lol 

[TheClimateChanger]

4 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

And anyone saying I'm being alarmist, look at the data yourself. For the first 30 years of this dataset, there is only one zone 7 year (1964), with a few others right at 0 [cusp of 6/7]. 6 of the last nine years have been zone 7, with one of those being zone 8 conditions. What used to be exceptionally rare, is now the norm and characteristic of the climate of Cleveland. All I'm doing is extrapolating the trend, which I find to also be consistent with my understanding of prior similar climate regimes.

I will acknowledge you can see that 2015 anomaly on this graphic as well that @Typhoon Tip mentioned. Not really sure what was going on there. It was like mother nature was trying to fight back or something but failed.

[weatherwiz]

1 minute ago, Cyclone-68 said:

Well if that’s going to happen then I hope we get more severe in the warm months to balance out the atmosphere lol 

Probably not. If we were to see any increase in that department it would probably be Fall setups where we get vigorous s/w to move through sound waters unseasonably warm.  

[HIPPYVALLEY]

What a gorgeous day!

Things were much different four years ago…

 

[dryslot]

2 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

What a gorgeous day!

Things were much different four years ago…

 

Where's the after pic for comparison.......

[Sey-Mour Snow]

Gotta love the GFS for trying to be festive with a CT miracle White Christmas with 3-6”. #nothappeningjames

 

 

[mahk_webstah]

1 minute ago, Sey-Mour Snow said:

Gotta love the GFS for trying to be festive with a CT miracle White Christmas with 3-6”. #nothappeningjames

I imagine it will snow somewhere as we transition from deep cold to a warmer pattern.

[Sey-Mour Snow]

4 minutes ago, mahk_webstah said:

I imagine it will snow somewhere as we transition from deep cold to a warmer pattern.

Agree probably CNE 

[CoastalWx]

16 minutes ago, Sey-Mour Snow said:

Gotta love the GFS for trying to be festive with a CT miracle White Christmas with 3-6”. #nothappeningjames

 

 

That better not happen 

[CoastalWx]

What a day today.

[Allsnow]

2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

What a day today.

More to come after Christmas to as far as the eye can see 

[Typhoon Tip]

1 hour ago, TheClimateChanger said:

This has always been my premise. When you look at similar ancient climate regimes with large inland bodies of water, you always find very warm subtropical flora and fauna well up into the mid and high latitudes. 

If you look at Cleveland, you can see traditionally it was zone 5 to cold zone 6, but now is firmly zone 7. 2023 was the first year [since 1960] with Zone 8 conditions. I don't put a whole lot of stock in the pre-1960 numbers due to a variety of reasons. Moving forward with these trends, it's reasonable to expect Zone 8 conditions to fully envelope this region by the latter half of this century. If warming continues, zones 9 to 10 look likely for next century. I've never seen a valid rebuttal to this. Only, oh shut up, Cleveland won't look like Miami. You are trolling.

well ... if it's any conciliatory value I was never one of those ( bold ^ ).     i wouldn't, because i believe so long as the upward cc trend is not a linear slope, but a curve exponential affair - as it is proving to be ... - all plausible impact/visions should be considered.  and, those that would more than likely surprise many.

just look at the last 3 years ... no one would have that subtropical cloud aerosols would suddenly drop to the point where the heat budget exploded the way it has. 

 

[ROOSTA]

2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

What a day today.

It's 83F with a dew of 72F

[Sey-Mour Snow]

3 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

What a day today.

Wolf man would enjoy his December even more lmao 

[CoastalWx]

19 minutes ago, Sey-Mour Snow said:

Wolf man would enjoy his December even more lmao 

"Love the tenor."

[dendrite]

[jbenedet]

60F on 12/17 and the pattern hasn't even shit the bed yet.

 

Wiped out a week's worth of BN days with today alone.

[Lava Rock]

54.1F. Very festive

[weatherwiz]

On the shoreline and just went for a walk to Dunkin...I froze. Very misleading temperature with the wind. It's certainly better than 30 but my hands froze and I couldn't wear gloves because then I wouldn't be able to catch Pokemon. 

[CoastalWx]

2 minutes ago, weatherwiz said:

On the shoreline and just went for a walk to Dunkin...I froze. Very misleading temperature with the wind. It's certainly better than 30 but my hands froze and I couldn't wear gloves because then I wouldn't be able to catch Pokemon. 

Eat a cheeseburger for God sakes.

[dendrite]

2 minutes ago, CoastalWx said:

Eat a cheeseburger for God sakes.

A few more years and all of those 40 ounces to freedom will finally start kicking in. 

[jbenedet]

On 12/16/2024 at 11:10 AM, tamarack said:

CAR has 43 for tomorrow's high at PQI.

I’m seeing 50 obs at PQI

[HIPPYVALLEY]

5 minutes ago, dendrite said:

A few more years and all of those 40 ounces to freedom will finally start kicking in. 

I put on 20 pounds between age 50 and 55. Slowly trying to dial that back this year.

[wxeyeNH]

51F  Quite windy. Just had a gust to 32mph.  We have had a solid pack since Nov 28th.  Getting very thin on our south slopes.  Lots of water content so it is a slow melt.  Maybe a few inches tomorrow night?  

[ineedsnow]

2 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

I put on 20 pounds between age 50 and 55. Slowly trying to dial that back this year.

I put on 30 after I turned 35 happened quick lol 

[wxeyeNH]

Congrats KBOX  60.1F

[weatherwiz]

12 minutes ago, ineedsnow said:

I put on 30 after I turned 35 happened quick lol 

I've actually gained like 3 or 4 pounds in the last 18 months. 

Unfortunately, for me though any weight gain is going to have to come from muscle versus fat. My doctor said based on my "frame type" it's unlikely I gain much weight from fat. So I have to start working out...but this is a serious must for me because I have virtually become inactive and I am losing muscle mass. 

[CoastalWx]

58.1 here so far.