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December 2024 - Best look to an early December pattern in many a year!


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8 hours ago, bwt3650 said:


Ehh..after the run of AN December’s, would it be terrible if we just put a couple inches down and it lasted a few weeks while we wait for something to materialize? This is what’s been missing for a while and what everyone remembers as yore. I’ll roll the dice with a consistent cold.


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Great post. And Absolutely.  When there’s been no cold air around….it’s all you heard. Now it looks to be returning(as some of us knew it would at some point), and they’re already moaning. So just Get us the cold…more often than not the snow will follow. Yet The same complainers are back already. 

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15 minutes ago, Go Kart Mozart said:

If nothing else, it looks like Ontario and Quebec will become fully painted in white over the next week or so.  That's a step.

This is true…but this much colder weather really doesn’t start to settle in until 12/1 anyway.  

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12/5 period (give or take a day) still the first one to watch for larger chunk of SNE imho. 
 

You have a developing PNA ridge that increases in amplitude quite significantly between about 12/3 and 12/6…so that is a potential flag for northern stream digging down into the mean trough in eastern US. Pretty good antecedent airmass would be in place unless the pattern dramatically changes on guidance. 
 

 

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Just now, dryslot said:

I'll take to cold pattern going in, If something pops, All the better.

For selfish reasons, you’d prob welcome some solid cold before too much snow gets laid down in the foothills. Get everything frozen up solid before riding season. Prob the best early-season cold pattern we’ve seen in years…not that the bar has been set very high the last 5 years. But consistent cold in December has been hard to come by since 2017. 

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Just now, ORH_wxman said:

For selfish reasons, you’d prob welcome some solid cold before too much snow gets laid down in the foothills. Get everything frozen up solid before riding season. Prob the best early-season cold pattern we’ve seen in years…not that the bar has been set very high the last 5 years. But consistent cold in December has been hard to come by since 2017. 

Yes Will, Definitely, Its been several seasons since we've had the cold scenario early on in Dec, Its just more dangerous conditions when you get snow over unfrozen ground bogs and smaller bodies of water not knowing ice thickness because of the insulating characteristics of the snow cover, Takes longer to build an ice pack from the bottom up, Over the past 4-5 seasons or so, Its been a late Jan start because of the lack of cold in NW Maine, If it works out, Probably can move that back to early Jan.

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1 hour ago, ORH_wxman said:

12/5 period (give or take a day) still the first one to watch for larger chunk of SNE imho. 
 

You have a developing PNA ridge that increases in amplitude quite significantly between about 12/3 and 12/6…so that is a potential flag for northern stream digging down into the mean trough in eastern US. Pretty good antecedent airmass would be in place unless the pattern dramatically changes on guidance. 
 

 

Haven't you and @weathafellatalked about 12/5 in SNE for years?  

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5 minutes ago, weathafella said:

Ensembles continue to show a stable wintry pattern.

It’s been a long time since we’ve had this type of consistently BN temps showing up on ensembles…esp in December but really anytime winter since prob 2021.


EPS really is hammering the cold down. GEFS not quite as hard but still BN for the foreseeable future once we get past Friday. Usually the snow chances start manifesting when we get this type of cold in December. Hopefully that happens this time as well. 

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2 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

It’s been a long time since we’ve had this type of consistently BN temps showing up on ensembles…esp in December but really anytime winter since prob 2021.


EPS really is hammering the cold down. GEFS not quite as hard but still BN for the foreseeable future once we get past Friday. Usually the snow chances start manifesting when we get this type of cold in December. Hopefully that happens this time as well. 

Lock it in since I'm flying to Utah on 12/13.

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10 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

12/5 produced a lot of events in the past (2002, 2003, 2009…even 2020 had the interior elevated paste job on 12/5). 

December 5th is the May 31 of winter. 

Makes sense how both those dates have had some notable major weather events around these parts. Both right in the beginning of transition periods. 

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