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41 minutes ago, cbmclean said:

The one that verifies will be the one that loops backwards through 4 -5 -6 again...:arrowhead:

Obviously, you're kidding but although the phase speed is slowing due to interference from La Niña conditions the magic land of phase 7 is still expected to be reached in early January according to the NOAA CPC Weekly MJO Update that was posted here yesterday by Eskimo Joe and hinted at by WxUSA and with it chances of measurable snow.  Hopefully, we'll luck into something before then. 

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20 hours ago, psuhoffman said:

It’s also worth pointing out that some have transitioned to rooting for EPO driven cold patterns because lately our more classical ways to snow have failed due to not being cold enough. But this last week was an example of the issue with that.  EPO driven patterns are often dry when it’s cold.  2014 and 2015 were anomalies not normal.  

 

In a nina or cold neutral, you kinda have to root for a +tnh pattern in general unless a real blocky winter pattern shows up.  That's why I've been aligned with the idea since fall. It's not just temps, it's prob the best way this season to get anything in the NS to track under us or at least approach from the south.  95-96 is not walkin in the door imho so the next best way to keep the SE ridge or any semblance of such out of our faces is getting it smashed down by a progressive -epo/+tnh longwave pattern. In some ways, it's a best case scenario in a winter that is highly unlikely to overperform. I don't think anyone is expecting anything close to a big winter. We just want to drink a little sweet lemonade instead of other yellow beverages that keep getting served lol

 

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6 minutes ago, winter_warlock said:

 Yes we know  its going to rain thank u... u  keep posting the same rain crap every day lol

I appreciate the rain updates. I actually started a thread a couple years ago for tracking winter rain. I find rain interesting so please don't discouraged anyone from posting anything weather related. 

The GFS looks like it took our Sunday rain away or decreased it as the storm tracks to our NW. It has a heavy band of snow move across the area north of 70 tomorrow night. 

 

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1 hour ago, Bob Chill said:

In a nina or cold neutral, you kinda have to root for a +tnh pattern in general unless a real blocky winter pattern shows up.  That's why I've been aligned with the idea since fall. It's not just temps, it's prob the best way this season to get anything in the NS to track under us or at least approach from the south.  95-96 is not walkin in the door imho so the next best way to keep the SE ridge or any semblance of such out of our faces is getting it smashed down by a progressive -epo/+tnh longwave pattern. In some ways, it's a best case scenario in a winter that is highly unlikely to overperform. I don't think anyone is expecting anything close to a big winter. We just want to drink a little sweet lemonade instead of other yellow beverages that keep getting served lol

 

Exactly! Absolutely right on Point with everything Bob !!!

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2 hours ago, dallen7908 said:

Obviously, you're kidding but although the phase speed is slowing due to interference from La Niña conditions the magic land of phase 7 is still expected to be reached in early January according to the NOAA CPC Weekly MJO Update that was posted here yesterday by Eskimo Joe and hinted at by WxUSA and with it chances of measurable snow.  Hopefully, we'll luck into something before then. 

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As a side note, if one looks closely at the ensemble MJO forecasts, it seems like there are often one or two members that go backwards.  I remember reading somewhere that NWP models often not infrequently predict the MJO to go backward, but it almost never happens.  That goes into the "I wonder why they can't fix that" file.

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