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Winter 2024-25 Medium/Long Range Discussion


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3 hours ago, madwx said:

BAMwx says a mix of Feb 1985 and Feb 2021.  Stay tuned!

BAMwx based out of Indy. From his discussion I would be excited over the next few weeks if I was in the OV from Indy SE right up into New England. Later talks about vortex dump of cold air near the 25th. Madison to Chicago area sounds like CAD watch in effect again.

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5 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

How much snow do you have on the ground? We had freezing rain. Our ground is frozen solid, but only piles of snow remain. The snowpack melted off the last day of January, and though we had some snow sunday it melted Monday.

2-3" of glacier haha. Hoping to add another 1-4" this weekend 

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25 minutes ago, Cary67 said:

BAMwx based out of Indy. From his discussion I would be excited over the next few weeks if I was in the OV from Indy SE right up into New England. Later talks about vortex dump of cold air near the 25th. Madison to Chicago area sounds like CAD watch in effect again.

"Their time is over. Our time is now."- Kurt Russel :" Miracle"

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9 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

Wow aiming high haha. Both months were cold. Feb 1985 had 16.9" of snow with a peak depth of 12" and Feb 2021 had 21.4" with a peak depth of 14".

Actually 2020-21 had some fun times. An underrated winter imo

U can start that snow depth with the 0.6” of snow tomorrow. 

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2 hours ago, dmc76 said:

BAM always comparing a pattern change to some historical pattern. 

As do most of those who do these social media posts.  Considering that is basically the main thing most weather geeks want (i.e. historic events), they are just appealing to the majority of their audience.

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Well those of us in I70 Kitchen Sink Land will be nervously hopeful over the next 10 days. With this forecast setup of a sharp baroclinic zone from the SW to the NE US with the battle ground here centered somewhere between the Ohio River and I70 is like playing a casino snow slot machine for us. Hopefully after tonight we can stay in the cold conveyor. I'm already sick of the mud :weenie:

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This weekends storm cracks me up, Detroit in between precip areas with zzzz. Not that it's an impressive storm but had chance at being decent. It's pretty hard to go a whole winter without a 6 inch event. When's the last time that happened Josh? We gotta be close to having it happen the latest in the winter, mid feb at the earliest this winter.. Screenshot_20250207_114340_Chrome.thumb.jpg.a649a744c818fc404b89e2fbba801b64.jpg

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1 hour ago, Stevo6899 said:

This weekends storm cracks me up, Detroit in between precip areas with zzzz. Not that it's an impressive storm but had chance at being decent. It's pretty hard to go a whole winter without a 6 inch event. When's the last time that happened Josh? We gotta be close to having it happen the latest in the winter, mid feb at the earliest this winter.. 

The last 6"+ storm at Detroit was March 3, 2023. (the largest storm last winter was 4.7", and the largest this year to date has been 3.7").

The historical average is just over 1 storm per winter of 6"+.

However, there have been obviously many years where we dont see one, particularly in the middle third of the 20th century.

The most 6"+ storms in a single winter was 6 in 2013-14.

The most consecutive winters withOUT a 6"+ storm was 6, from 1944-45 thru 1949-50.

The most consecutive winters with at least one 6"+ storm was 14, from 1890-91 thru 1903-04

The decade with the least 6"+ storms on record was the 1940s, when just one storm of 6"+ fell

The decade with the most 6"+ storms on record was the 2010s, when 19 storms saw 6"+

Despite not having a 6"+ storm since March 3, 2023, we have already seen 6 in the 2020s.

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33 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

The most consecutive winters withOUT a 6"+ storm was 6, from 1944-45 thru 1949-50.

The most consecutive winters with at least one 6"+ storm was 14, from 1890-91 thru 1903-04

The decade with the least 6"+ storms on record was the 1940s, when just one storm of 6"+ fell

The decade with the most 6"+ storms on record was the 2010s, when 19 storms saw 6"+

Despite not having a 6"+ storm since March 3, 2023, we have already seen 6 in the 2020s.

I have to believe that the observations back then weren't very reliable.  How could Detroit only have one 6"+ storm over a 10-year period?  If that's actually correct, all it does is illustrate (yet again) how horrible our winter climo is.  It shouldn't make any of us think "oh, we've been lucky in recent decades"; it's just not a reasonable reaction/response.  If a student scores 20% on an exam after getting a 0% on a previous one, the 20% score is still an F.

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I have to believe that the observations back then weren't very reliable.  How could Detroit only have one 6"+ storm over a 10-year period?  If that's actually correct, all it does is illustrate (yet again) how horrible our winter climo is.  It shouldn't make any of us think "oh, we've been lucky in recent decades"; it's just not a reasonable reaction/response.  If a student scores 20% on an exam after getting a 0% on a previous one, the 20% score is still an F.

guy…

you really need to get over it. our climo is what it is. you can’t just come up with this idea that it should be magically better just because you want it to be. as many of us have said, you live in the wrong place for what you’re looking for.

either you can’t quite grasp the reality of things or you’re one of the best trolls we’ve seen.
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30 minutes ago, beavis1729 said:

I have to believe that the observations back then weren't very reliable.  How could Detroit only have one 6"+ storm over a 10-year period?  If that's actually correct, all it does is illustrate (yet again) how horrible our winter climo is.  It shouldn't make any of us think "oh, we've been lucky in recent decades"; it's just not a reasonable reaction/response.  If a student scores 20% on an exam after getting a 0% on a previous one, the 20% score is still an F.

First of all. Observations were very reliable. If anything they were more detailed than we get today. Everything was manual, now snow is the only thing manual (outside of necessary fixes to the wx observing equipment). The mid century time frame was one of the worst for snowstorms here. We did have a few good ice storms. And second of all. You love to use the coldest normals in Chicago's entire climate record as your norm, but yet it's not fair for us to acknowledge how good the last few decades have been for snowstorms?

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