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Winter 2024-25 Medium/Long Range Discussion


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imagine referencing the 12Z NAM as gospel for an entirely different region? Next level. Btw...you do know many of those areas have not had a legit snow event in over 3 seasons.

Imagine discussing weather on a weather board. Of course they have had several bad winters in a row. Having lived there, they are very accustomed to the rug pull. Anyhow, part of the fun is to see what the models put out and then see how much they change..

In other news, it’s absolutely white out conditions in the western suburbs right now near Wheaton.


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9 minutes ago, DocATL said:


Imagine discussing weather on a weather board. Of course they have had several bad winters in a row. Having lived there, they are very accustomed to the rug pull. Anyhow, part of the fun is to see what the models put out and then see how much they change..

In other news, it’s absolutely white out conditions in the western suburbs right now near Wheaton.


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I'm in Glen Ellyn. Few blocks away. Nice burst. Nice quick cover. I manage 80 sites in PA,NJ, MA, for a national removal firm. Trust me, it's been bleak there as well.

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I'm in Glen Ellyn. Few blocks away. Nice burst. Nice quick cover. I manage 80 sites in PA,NJ, MA, for a national removal firm. Trust me, it's been bleak there as well.

Man it really has been. I was in med school in Washington DC in 2003 when we got >16 inches. The city was crippled and I was stranded while out at a bar. Had to spend a night with a girl I met at the bar but that’s a whole other story!

Then I was in residency in NYC in 2006 when we got 26+! That was nuts because they had no where to put all that snow.


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8 hours ago, Lightning said:

Thankfully I was in the northern burbs of Detroit that year and got plenty of snow.  I was a bit young to remember the spring details but a quick look at the numbers it shows March, April and May '77 were overall mild.   

I remember the early Feb sunshine and warmth (with snow piles yet). It suddenly felt like being let out of arctic jail. Had news route back then and had to be out in it every day for weeks on end. Good thing I was young and didn't realize having blue fingers wasn't normal. Not a super deep snow, but there was enough to ride snowmobiles where I was in Davison. 

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5 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

I've brought up that winter many times. In all my years following weather, never seen more of a screw zone than 1995-96.

Crazy that on the opposite corner of The Mitt I was living the snowiest non-stop winter of my life with 220+ inches in mby. I don't think I travelled downstate that season because we hosted holiday gatherings. I never knew of the contrast. Oh, and Traverse mostly got shafted by the LES even in December that literally buried The Sault, or it could've been even more insane.

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1 hour ago, RogueWaves said:

Crazy that on the opposite corner of The Mitt I was living the snowiest non-stop winter of my life with 220+ inches in mby. I don't think I travelled downstate that season because we hosted holiday gatherings. I never knew of the contrast. Oh, and Traverse mostly got shafted by the LES even in December that literally buried The Sault, or it could've been even more insane.

Records was being smashed all over the state…except. SEMI. Storms missed from every direction. Couldn’t even reel in a clipper.  it was that bad. This winter feeling eerily similar thus far. Obviously things can change. 

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16 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said:

You should take a look at 1995-96. You nearly had him doubled. Hell, Charleston, West Virginia had about 4x as much snow.

the big one for that was the massive HECS in January that buried the MA and NE, that one threw a slow moving conveyor belt of snow east to west across the state....we almost picked up a foot from that one and it was a complete surprise, even the morning of we were forecasted 1-3"

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50 minutes ago, buckeye said:

the big one for that was the massive HECS in January that buried the MA and NE, that one threw a slow moving conveyor belt of snow east to west across the state....we almost picked up a foot from that one and it was a complete surprise, even the morning of we were forecasted 1-3"

Obviously not everybody feels the same way but I'm willing to go 5-10 winters (we essentially have the past 5) of nothing if I can experience a 24+ hecs.

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8 minutes ago, Stevo6899 said:

Obviously not everybody feels the same way but I'm willing to go 5-10 winters (we essentially have the past 5) of nothing if I can experience a 24+ hecs.

I was in Manhattan for the January 22-24th 2016 HECS. 27.5” in Central Park and 30.5” at JFK. It was absolutely bonkers but of course started melting immediately. 

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11 hours ago, Snowstorms said:

How much did Detroit get in 1995-96? 

 

3 hours ago, OrdIowPitMsp said:

1995/1996 is an all timer winter in Minnesota. Crazy to see how shafted Detroit was that year, had no idea. 

27.6", and the best event was a surprise snowstorm March 20th that dropped around 6" with some thundersnow. Chicago was screwed too. It's one thing to be screwed because everything is going south or north, but in 1995-96 a narrow corridor from Chicago to Detroit (excluding the lake zones) was screwed because almost everyone N, S, E, & W had a good to great winter. Again, never seen anything like it. Fortunately in the years since, Detroit often made up for it being in the jackpot zone many times.

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12 hours ago, dmc76 said:

1990’s in SEMI was pathetic 

Few highlights (1994 arctic outbreak, blizzard of 1999) but the 1990s winters sucked. They were VERY similar to the sucky 1950s winters in terms of both snow and temps. It's why I would laugh anyone's ear off who is our generation and uses the centuries old line "winters when I was a kid...". The 2000s and 2010s winters were like a different world...just leaps and bounds better winters.

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2 hours ago, Stevo6899 said:

They basically copy and paste this every year to coincide with the current enso. There's far many more factors in play that make these maps useless.

Sort of seems like that right? ENSO background (or expected) and that's it. While the precip screams Nina, I think they tinker more with temps.

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9 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

Few highlights (1994 arctic outbreak, blizzard of 1999) but the 1990s winters sucked. They were VERY similar to the sucky 1950s winters in terms of both snow and temps. It's why I would laugh anyone's ear off who is our generation and uses the centuries old line "winters when I was a kid...". The 2000s and 2010s winters were like a different world...just leaps and bounds better winters.

I think there was maybe three storms from November 1994 through December 1998 that hit 6 inches or more. 

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3 hours ago, Stevo6899 said:

They basically copy and paste this every year to coincide with the current enso. There's far many more factors in play that make these maps useless.

I would argue this is more of an MJO and teleconnection thing.  

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6 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

Officially at DTW, there were no 6"+ storms from Dec 8, 1994 to Jan 1, 1999 (closest being 5.8" on Mar 20, 1996).

These were my college years in SE Michigan and it sucked!  I remember it all ending in January of '99 with the Blizzard.  

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