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Winter 2024-25 Medium/Long Range Discussion


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Just sad at this pointGdILbILXsAAPyxy?format=png&name=900x900

Yeah…Canadian goes with a dry suppressed look too. If Euro follows suit, we punt. Gonna waste the cold this time around unless we can catch a clipper or two. Luckily it’s just the beginning of the season.

Ensemble means are better for NYC than Chicago
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LOT tosses a bone, and laughs at the model worshipers:

" POTENTIAL FOR TRAVEL IMPACTS IN THE REGION FROM ACCUMULATING   
  SNOW IN THE TUESDAY NIGHT TO THANKSGIVING DAY PERIOD APPEARS   
  TO BE INCREASING. "

been a few years since there was a trackable event potential around the Thanksgiving holiday and real cold to follow.

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Remember with the system this past week when the GFS trended towards the Euro bombing out over Detroit which continued trending west over towards Wisconsin. Just wait for it.  This will become a northern Illinois/southern Wisconsin crusher soon enough. 

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Remember with the system this past week when the GFS trended towards the Euro bombing out over Detroit which continued trending west over towards Wisconsin. Just wait for it.  This will become a northern Illinois/southern Wisconsin crusher soon enough. 

GFS northwest trend is the surest thing in this world.


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I’m going guess the NAM still stinks :lol:

12z GFS at least shows some possible frontogenisis snow showers Wednesday but keeps the Thanksgiving low well south. It tries to bring a weakening clipper through the area Saturday… clippers can surprise though so it bears watching.

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After a nice/brief trend yesterday things have trended back towards a non-event for the central/western sub for the Wed system.  

Next thing to track may be a clipper next weekend, but not looking too impressive.  

Hope we don't waste this cold stretch and then have to sit out 2-4 weeks of warmth in the heart of December like usual.

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3 hours ago, Frog Town said:

Ok, Ok, I know it's the 84 hour Nam, but if you extrapolate it out a bit, I think it's further North with the low this week for Turkey day.  Thoughts?

I'm starting to get rather confident in a 1-3" for Toledo at this time for Thanksgiving. Still wouldn't be shocked to see the hardest snows head more towards I-94 as we get closer to the event

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1 hour ago, nwohweather said:

I'm starting to get rather confident in a 1-3" for Toledo at this time for Thanksgiving. Still wouldn't be shocked to see the hardest snows head more towards I-94 as we get closer to the event

I would agree fellow Toledo'n.  Although I'm just a skirt north of you in Sylvania.  

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34 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

Looks like a LES/Clipper pattern will be setting up shop for a while. Always run the risk of cold and dry but a reminder- clipper patterns are probably THE most unpredictable patterns outside of a several day lead time. Modeled clippers can vanish and others pop out of nowhere.

Certainly looks good from Black Friday thru the following Tuesday. That weekend clipper should beer winds more northwest to bring the bands deeper into Indiana. But like you said, you never know for sure with clippers.

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After a nice/brief trend yesterday things have trended back towards a non-event for the central/western sub for the Wed system.  
Next thing to track may be a clipper next weekend, but not looking too impressive.  
Hope we don't waste this cold stretch and then have to sit out 2-4 weeks of warmth in the heart of December like usual.

You’ll appreciate January even more!


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Certainly looks good from Black Friday thru the following Tuesday. That weekend clipper should beer winds more northwest to bring the bands deeper into Indiana. But like you said, you never know for sure with clippers.

Mmmm beer.


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17 minutes ago, A-L-E-K said:

It's bad

LOT going down with the ship:

POTENTIAL REMAINS FOR A WINTER STORM IN THE VICINITY OF THE  
  GREAT LAKES AND OHIO RIVER VALLEY DURING THE TUESDAY NIGHT  
  THROUGH THURSDAY TIMEFRAME.

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3 hours ago, DocATL said:

NAM gives us a Thanksgiving phase just to the south of Chicago metro. Euro is close but a bit late. We should know by the midday runs if this is a possibility or not.

I've always liked the NAM in this range. It just sorts stinks when it's D-Day.

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Looking at Dec from my modelling method, I'm going with colder early Dec, but a switch in mid Dec to a milder, wetter pattern (more stm chance my way), before things switch out after the solstice to a colder pattern again. Actually could see an avg to below (possibly well below for some) Dec in the books to end the year for sub as a whole. We shall see. 

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