2025 Atlantic Hurricane Season

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

2 hours ago, LibertyBell said:

Maybe we should just talk about number of hurricanes? I agree with your points.  Forget tropical storms, once a storm becomes a hurricane is when it really becomes destructive (minus rainfall impacts which can occur with tropical depressions too.)

 I would rank seasons by number of hurricanes and ACE, not the number of tropical storms.  I mean, 40 mph, come on, we get winds stronger than that a few times every year.

I've been in a number of tropical storms and didn't find any of them any worse than a typical noreaster.

Ask Texas about Tropical storm Allison.

[LibertyBell]

6 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Ask Texas about Tropical storm Allison.

thats about flooding not winds.  a TD could do that too.  Any big flooding tropical rainstorm can do that.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

5 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

thats about flooding not winds.  a TD could do that too.  Any big flooding tropical rainstorm can do that.

A TD couldn’t produce the size and intensity of flooding that Allison produced. You need the lift produced by the dynamics of a deeper low pressure. Regardless, the point I’m trying to make is that some of the most damaging storms monetarily were tropical storms.

Thats especially true in the North East. Dianne, Agnes, Floyd and Irene were all tropical storms in the NE all produced catastrophic damage.

[LibertyBell]

6 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

A TD couldn’t produce the size and intensity of flooding that Allison produced. You need the lift produced by the dynamics of a deeper low pressure. Regardless, the point I’m trying to make is that some of the most damaging storms monetarily were tropical storms.

Thats especially true in the North East. Dianne, Agnes, Floyd and Irene were all tropical storms in the NE all produced catastrophic damage.

For Long Island Floyd didn't do much, it was much worse in NJ.  A friend of mine came here from Greece and was like, *This is a hurricane? This is nothing but an average rainstorm!  Why are you Americans so scared about everything!* I had to remind him about what a real hurricane can do here.  Of course he was no longer here when Sandy came calling.

If you remember Irene, Bloomberg got major flak for shutting down the city (and as a result didn't shut it down when Sandy came calling)- man, I really hated him lol.

TS like Floyd and Irene characteristically cause the most damage well away from the point of landfall.  NJ in the case of Floyd (in our area) and Vermont in the case of Irene.

Agnes I wasn't around for at all, but wasn't that a hurricane when it made landfall?

I think Floyd was still a hurricane when it made first landfall in NC.

Regardless for our area anyway I don't pay much attention to tropical storms-- a historic noreaster like December 1992 causes much more damage for our area.

 

 

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

6 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

For Long Island Floyd didn't do much, it was much worse in NJ.  A friend of mine came here from Greece and was like, *This is a hurricane? This is nothing but an average rainstorm!  Why are you Americans so scared about everything!* I had to remind him about what a real hurricane can do here.  Of course he was no longer here when Sandy came calling.

If you remember Irene, Bloomberg got major flak for shutting down the city (and as a result didn't shut it down when Sandy came calling)- man, I really hated him lol.

TS like Floyd and Irene characteristically cause the most damage well away from the point of landfall.  NJ in the case of Floyd (in our area) and Vermont in the case of Irene.

Agnes I wasn't around for at all, but wasn't that a hurricane when it made landfall?

I think Floyd was still a hurricane when it made first landfall in NC.

Regardless for our area anyway I don't pay much attention to tropical storms-- a historic noreaster like December 1992 causes much more damage for our area.

 

 

You’re totally missing the point, this isn’t about IMBY. It’s about tropical storms having the potential to cause huge monitory damages. Even name retirement. We can talk about nor Easter vs. tropical system damage potential all day in the NYC forum. They are completely different animals and pose very different damage risks.

[LibertyBell]

23 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

You’re totally missing the point, this isn’t about IMBY. It’s about tropical storms having the potential to cause huge monitory damages. Even name retirement. We can talk about nor Easter vs. tropical system damage potential all day in the NYC forum. They are completely different animals and pose very different damage risks.

But these were hurricanes at one point.  There's a HUGE difference between a little piddly storm that never became a hurricane vs a storm that was once a hurricane.  Floyd was nearly a cat 5.  A little storm that just developed doesn't have the power of a storm that was once a major hurricane.

You're making my case for naming noreasters (which they do with similar type storms in Europe.)  We should also name atmospheric river events on the west coast (we already categorize them 1-5 just like we do with hurricanes.)

If you're going to name tropical storms, noreasters and atmospheric river events should definitely also be named.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

37 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

But these were hurricanes at one point.  There's a HUGE difference between a little piddly storm that never became a hurricane vs a storm that was once a hurricane.  Floyd was nearly a cat 5.  A little storm that just developed doesn't have the power of a storm that was once a major hurricane.

You're making my case for naming noreasters (which they do with similar type storms in Europe.)  We should also name atmospheric river events on the west coast (we already categorize them 1-5 just like we do with hurricanes.)

If you're going to name tropical storms, noreasters and atmospheric river events should definitely also be named.

Back to my original example, Allison. 
Obviously a naked swirl at 30 North 50 East that produces a few sheared thunderstorms and an area of 35 knot winds for 12 hours isn’t worthy of a name. That same storm pre satellite wouldn’t have been noticed. 

[LibertyBell]

17 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

Back to my original example, Allison. 
Obviously a naked swirl at 30 North 50 East that produces a few sheared thunderstorms and an area of 35 knot winds for 12 hours isn’t worthy of a name. That same storm pre satellite wouldn’t have been noticed. 

the only reason it became a problem though was because it stalled.

it had nothing to do with strength.  There are other types of storms that have stalled out and produced catastrophic consequences, for exampled stalled thunderstorms and stalled fronts.

we seem to get more of these every year =\