Let’s talk winter!! Ohio and surrounding states!! 24'-25'

[CoachLB]

well I mean the 18z gfs gave me 20 inches lock it in

[iluvsnow]

I think this is an all time digital record for snow for Ohio:

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2025020118/gfs_asnow_us_65.png

[Chinook]

4 minutes ago, iluvsnow said:

I think this is an all time digital record for snow for Ohio:

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/gfs/2025020118/gfs_asnow_us_65.png

Similarly, the Pivotalweather web site, with Kuchera ratios, has 42" in Ohio, with no lake effect. This continues into lower Illinois with 34.7". It's pretty rare. You'd have to cherry-pick model runs over several years to see something better.

[buckeye]

Can we get one of these maps to be right…even just once a season?   Hell even half right would be nice.   (That’s the 360 hr euro snow total for 12z)

[bowtie`]

3 hours ago, buckeye said:

Can we get one of these maps to be right…even just once a season?   Hell even half right would be nice.   (That’s the 360 hr euro snow total for 12z

Even if the map is right, only 22 feet more to go!

[pondo1000]

Nobody…..Noooooo-body, does cold/dry or warm/wet winters better than we do around here. 

[HighTechEE]

Oh well for the south of I-70 & north of the Ohio River peps Tuesday is a swing and a miss to the south, Wednesday & Saturday look to be both swings & misses to the north.  Welcome to southern Ohio.

[Crowbar]

For Central Ohio peeps - this is too bad:

[dilly84]

51 minutes ago, Crowbar said:

For Central Ohio peeps - this is too bad:

Wow, what a shame

[buckeye]

On 2/11/2025 at 6:32 PM, dilly84 said:

Wow, what a shame

I literally just saw this on a news feed and it was like 10 days ago. Ganahl was the goat of cmh weather.   He moved to Columbus from Iowa during the infamous late 70s winters.   I followed and watched him for nearly 45years from when I was in junior high school to becoming a grandpa.    He was a huge snow weenie too, loved cold and snow.   That’s why it was fun to watch him. 
RIP Jym, May the blizzards be plentiful in heaven!

[weatherzen]

I literally just saw this on a news feed and it was like 10 days ago. Ganahl was the goat of cmh weather.   He moved to Columbus from Iowa during the infamous late 70s winters.   I followed and watched him for nearly 45years from when I was in junior high school to becoming a grandpa.    He was a huge snow weenie too, loved cold and snow.   That’s why it was fun to watch him. 
RIP Jym, May the blizzards be plentiful in heaven!

Watching Jym Ganahl led me to buying a giant sheet of thick plastic and the lumber to build a backyard ice rink in the early 2000's. He used to talk about his. Lots of fun for the kids. Winters lately would not be worth the effort. RIP

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[dilly84]

On 2/13/2025 at 3:54 PM, buckeye said:

I literally just saw this on a news feed and it was like 10 days ago. Ganahl was the goat of cmh weather.   He moved to Columbus from Iowa during the infamous late 70s winters.   I followed and watched him for nearly 45years from when I was in junior high school to becoming a grandpa.    He was a huge snow weenie too, loved cold and snow.   That’s why it was fun to watch him. 
RIP Jym, May the blizzards be plentiful in heaven!

For sure. Even had his own snowmaker lol

[pondo1000]

[pondo1000]

Snow globe!!!! Go to bed with heavy rain & mud, then wake up to snow & white! Pretty outside!

[buckeye]

52 minutes ago, pondo1000 said:

Snow globe!!!! Go to bed with heavy rain & mud, then wake up to snow & white! Pretty outside!

Made no sense to me when ILN left their northern tier counties off the wwa.   Pretty rough out there right now just like every model was showing yesterday.

[dilly84]

21 minutes ago, buckeye said:

Made no sense to me when ILN left their northern tier counties off the wwa.   Pretty rough out there right now just like every model was showing yesterday.

Cleveland took knox off yesterday, now back on and calling for the nice range of 1-4" lol

[buckeye]

12 minutes ago, dilly84 said:

Cleveland took knox off yesterday, now back on and calling for the nice range of 1-4" lol

We’re north of 2” here imby already.  I think between the rest of the synoptic and maybe some squalls later 3-5” on the ground by night is easily reachable

[dilly84]

3 minutes ago, buckeye said:

We’re north of 2” here imby already.  I think between the rest of the synoptic and maybe some squalls later 3-5” on the ground by night is easily reachable

Not sure what we'll get here but it's heavy snow currently. Guess it'll just depend on how long before it passes. Probably be our last hoorah for the year

[dilly84]

Wanted to get on and say, I think for the first time in as long as I can remember, we've has snow on the ground for nearly all of the winter, at least here in Knox county. It was never a lot, but we got our first snow right after Christmas. That snow lasted for about a month and a half. Then we went a few days without snow, but the next snow fall, while it is nearly all gone now is still holding on in some shaded spots. So for nearly 3 months we've had snow on the ground. It kinda kills the pre-winter predictions of a warm winter for us. It's not been remotely warm this winter, and we've had snow on the ground for more days than I can ever remember in the past and it was done without ever having a major storm in Central Ohio. Anyone else notice how long the snow stayed on the ground this year?

[TheClimateChanger]

18 minutes ago, dilly84 said:

Wanted to get on and say, I think for the first time in as long as I can remember, we've has snow on the ground for nearly all of the winter, at least here in Knox county. It was never a lot, but we got our first snow right after Christmas. That snow lasted for about a month and a half. Then we went a few days without snow, but the next snow fall, while it is nearly all gone now is still holding on in some shaded spots. So for nearly 3 months we've had snow on the ground. It kinda kills the pre-winter predictions of a warm winter for us. It's not been remotely warm this winter, and we've had snow on the ground for more days than I can ever remember in the past and it was done without ever having a major storm in Central Ohio. Anyone else notice how long the snow stayed on the ground this year?

Believe it or not, this used to be normal!

[dilly84]

2 minutes ago, TheClimateChanger said:

Believe it or not, this used to be normal!

I'm 40, and it's usually been snow then melts, snow then melts. I faintly remember when I was a kid it seemed like we had a lot more snow but could just be cause I was shorter lol.

[TheClimateChanger]

18 minutes ago, dilly84 said:

I'm 40, and it's usually been snow then melts, snow then melts. I faintly remember when I was a kid it seemed like we had a lot more snow but could just be cause I was shorter lol.

I'm just going off of xMacis. Looks like it's pretty typical for Ohio in a historical sense. Obviously, you may have done somewhat better in rural Knox county.

xMacis reports CMH has had 23 days with 1" or more, which is only 36th most since 1948, and even that exaggerates the rarity versus limiting the comparison to the 1950 to early/mid 90s time frame.

CLE has had 38 days of 1" or more snow cover. Looks like 69 other years have had as many or more [out of 133 years], and that includes a bunch of years from downtown where the snow cover would be less resilient.

CAK has also had 38 days of 1" or more snow cover, which is a bit more impressive. But even still 35 other years had at least that many [out of 76 years with sufficient data], so pretty much par for the course [at least historically].

[WestMichigan]

1 hour ago, TheClimateChanger said:

I'm just going off of xMacis. Looks like it's pretty typical for Ohio in a historical sense. Obviously, you may have done somewhat better in rural Knox county.

xMacis reports CMH has had 23 days with 1" or more, which is only 36th most since 1948, and even that exaggerates the rarity versus limiting the comparison to the 1950 to early/mid 90s time frame.

CLE has had 38 days of 1" or more snow cover. Looks like 69 other years have had as many or more [out of 133 years], and that includes a bunch of years from downtown where the snow cover would be less resilient.

CAK has also had 38 days of 1" or more snow cover, which is a bit more impressive. But even still 35 other years had at least that many [out of 76 years with sufficient data], so pretty much par for the course [at least historically].

What about consecutive days, vs the snow then melt then snow dilly84 referenced?

[roardog]

25 minutes ago, WestMichigan said:

What about consecutive days, vs the snow then melt then snow dilly84 referenced?

Yeah. How many days with snow on the ground doesn't mean anything. We had a lot of days with snow on the ground in a winter like 07-08 but it was because it was a stormy and mild winter.  The snow kept melting but more would fall when it cooled down again. I could see that situation playing out a lot in Ohio. I mean, it's never been "normal" for southern Michigan to keep snow on the ground for an entire winter, there's no way it's "normal" for Ohio.

[TheClimateChanger]

On 2/24/2025 at 4:41 PM, roardog said:

Yeah. How many days with snow on the ground doesn't mean anything. We had a lot of days with snow on the ground in a winter like 07-08 but it was because it was a stormy and mild winter.  The snow kept melting but more would fall when it cooled down again. I could see that situation playing out a lot in Ohio. I mean, it's never been "normal" for southern Michigan to keep snow on the ground for an entire winter, there's no way it's "normal" for Ohio.

I mean it goes without saying that I am assuming he didn't actually observe 1" or more of snow cover for 60 days straight. There have been thaws. No place in the region has seen any unusually length of continuous snow cover. If he's in the woods, then, perhaps some traces of snow/ice persisted the whole time, but that's different and also probably not that unusual. 60 days of continuous snow cover would be very rare [not unprecedented, however], but three or four weeks of continuous snow cover is not at all uncommon for Ohio. Looks like for northern and north central Ohio, the historical frequency of such a stretch is from about 1 in every 3 winters.

The longest streak at Cleveland this winter was 14 days. A value which has been exceeded 86 times and matched in at least 13 other years. This is a bit misleading since I believe most places in northern Ohio had longer stretches...

For instance, Canton-Akron Airport had snow cover of 1" or greater for 28 days in a row ending on 1/30. But even that length has been met or exceeded in 21 other years since 1948. So even a full 4 weeks of snow cover (i.e., about a month) there occurs about once in every 3.5 years on average [and the frequency had been greater until recent years].

Columbus had 1" or more of snow cover for 15 days, ending 1/17. A streak that long has occurred 35 other times since 1948, or a little less frequently than every other year on average.

Detroit's longest stretch this winter was 19 days ending on 1/29, a length which has been met or exceeded 52 times since 1948. On average, approximately 2 out of every 3 winters see this. It's actually more common than not at Detroit to see a stretch of about 3 weeks of continuous snow cover at some point in the winter.

[michsnowfreak]

On 2/24/2025 at 4:41 PM, roardog said:

Yeah. How many days with snow on the ground doesn't mean anything. We had a lot of days with snow on the ground in a winter like 07-08 but it was because it was a stormy and mild winter.  The snow kept melting but more would fall when it cooled down again. I could see that situation playing out a lot in Ohio. I mean, it's never been "normal" for southern Michigan to keep snow on the ground for an entire winter, there's no way it's "normal" for Ohio.

It's nowhere near normal for Ohio, and it never has been. Columbus averages 27 days per winter with 1"+ snowdepth. Since 1948, there have been 12 winters with less than 10 days total of 1"+ snowcover, the least being just 3 days in the winter of 1949-50. Columbus has had just 5 winters since 1948 that have exceeded Detroits annual average of 1"+ snowcover days (49), and Detroit has never averaged snowcover without interruption all winter. 

[TheClimateChanger]

17 hours ago, michsnowfreak said:

It's nowhere near normal for Ohio, and it never has been. Columbus averages 27 days per winter with 1"+ snowdepth. Since 1948, there have been 12 winters with less than 10 days total of 1"+ snowcover, the least being just 3 days in the winter of 1949-50. Columbus has had just 5 winters since 1948 that have exceeded Detroits annual average of 1"+ snowcover days (49), and Detroit has never averaged snowcover without interruption all winter. 

Which is what I said in my response? In any case, the original claim was about this winter. Columbus has only had 23 days with 1" or more snow cover this month, not multiple months.

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60 days of continuous snow cover would be very rare [not unprecedented, however], but three or four weeks of continuous snow cover is not at all uncommon for Ohio. Looks like for northern and north central Ohio, the historical frequency of such a stretch is from about 1 in every 3 winters.

 

[dilly84]

On 2/27/2025 at 1:30 PM, TheClimateChanger said:

Which is what I said in my response? In any case, the original claim was about this winter. Columbus has only had 23 days with 1" or more snow cover this month, not multiple months.

 

I'm more north of Columbus and we definitely had more than 23 days of 1" of snow. We had snow from the system after Christmas all the way to the end of January, then a brief melt with another system putting about 3" down that last 2 or 3 weeks. Our typical winter will see snow, then it's melted within a week then maybe a little more a week later etc. Not basically continuous. Yes there were melts but areas were quickly re-covered.