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6 minutes ago, ldub23 said:

Yeah. Buts it the euro at 342…it will change to partly sunny and 72 by tomorrow…never thought I would  write ‘it’s the euro at 342!’   The future has arrived!  It will still be snowless probably!

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10 minutes ago, WxUSAF said:

Yeah, see my comments in the mid range thread. I definitely believe there will be good cold air in Canada and into the central Plains. Where it goes from there and if cold air and moisture can overlap are 2 big questions. But better to have that to ponder than another mega torch staring us in the face?

No doubt that we're far, far, far better off with where we are now than with staring down a pig Pacific jet barreling into the West Coast all the way from Japan at 350mph. That shit is the suck.

I'm coming into this winter with absolutely zero expectations and an acceptance that something (and I'm not necessarily hinting at CC) that we don't have a full handle of is/are THE driving force(s) behind so many people being wrong about seasonal forecasting in the last few years. We really can't do much worse than we have recently and I'm a big believer in the rubber band theory, so I don't think that persistence is the way to look at this coming winter.

I suppose this is just a roundabout way of saying that any seasonal forecast I might have is based on "feels," which I realize wouldn't satisfy many around here. :lol:

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1 hour ago, brooklynwx99 said:

really good agreement on all ensembles for a -EPO/-WPO pattern to form with cross polar flow. want to see this get inside the D5-7 range, though it is encouraging

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This is a general winning look in a Nina that can suppress the SE ridge at times, bringing shots of legit cold southward and placing the thermal boundary in a favorable spot.  CFS has probably been the most persistent of the seasonal guidance the last couple months depicting the -EPO with southward stretched TPV. We have been seeing that same look on LR ens and extended guidance lately, which is definitely encouraging.

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5 minutes ago, CAPE said:

This is a general winning look in a Nina that can suppress the SE ridge at times, bringing shots of legit cold southward and placing the thermal boundary in a favorable spot.  CFS has probably been the most persistent of the seasonal guidance the last couple months depicting the -EPO with southward stretched TPV. We have been seeing that same look on LR ens and extended guidance lately, which is definitely encouraging.

Webb thinks it’s a winter preview look

 

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6 minutes ago, Terpeast said:

Worth noting that the warm members aren’t THAT warm

At the moment, coldest day looks a 2-4 days before that chart.  EPS still has a robust -EPO/-WPO ridge that extends down the west coast at the end of the run.  So I'd still expect cold air around somewhere in the CONUS at that time. 

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28 minutes ago, WxUSAF said:

At the moment, coldest day looks a 2-4 days before that chart.  EPS still has a robust -EPO/-WPO ridge that extends down the west coast at the end of the run.  So I'd still expect cold air around somewhere in the CONUS at that time. 

That is fair, lot of cold around the first....WB 12Z EPS.

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5 hours ago, ldub23 said:

I am not in love with the position of the high off to the east in the Atlantic and a weak 1004 mb low to our south this screams mid-level warmth so sleet and a changeover, but this is December 3rd 

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18 hours ago, WxUSAF said:

Webb thinks it’s a winter preview look

 

Honest question... I really do wonder what you or anyone else's take on this is.  I do see these posts from some VERY knowledgeable experts and I certainly see the pattern coming up...and I want to be hopeful...but almost all the analogs they are using to justify the optimism are based on years where the QBO was totally opposite of this year.  There are no examples of a snowy winter with a similar enso/QBO/PDO combo as we are in right now.  None!  

 

So I guess my question is...am I missing something?  It is a small sample...maybe the QBO isn't as important in this equation as I am making it.  I do lean towards this not being a blowtorch wall to wall...some of my top analogs were decently cold winters...but not snowy at all.  Example 2008-9 is a top analog.  And look at the pattern late Nov to early Dec that winter...but it didn't help us at all, it was a horrible snowfall year here.  

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Thoughts? 

 

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