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NNE Cold Season Thread 2024-2025


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I love the fact that at least my area doesnt have to live and die with every run.  The past I dont know 6 weeks?  Have been unreal.  I dont have an amazing snowpack.  But the mtn does.  Nickel and dime has kept us in winter wonderland.  The mtn is unreal.  So much snow everywhere.  (except on the trails).  Its been a long time since I have seen it personally.  The fact that it isnt going away and more is coming.  no words.  best winter in a long time.  The train of storms coming will be all over the place, if we get more 3 to 4 out of it fine.  Let them sne folks eat cake, even the mid atlantic.  We are doing just fine here.

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I hadn’t had a chance to check out the BTV NWS maps for our current storm (Winter Storm Freya), but now I’ve seen their thoughts. The advisories map is fairly straightforward with Winter Weather Advisories across the board. Our point forecast in the valley calls for 2 to 4 inches of snow from the storm, with 1 to 3 of that during the day today, but it looks like we’ll easily surpass the 3 inches today since we’re already beyond that point. In general, that seems to align with the Storm Total Snowfall Forecast map with areas of 3-4” and 4-6” shading in the Northern Greens.

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Cleared 4”, but the chimney is whistling so who knows for sure

Started the day with another sub zero dog walk, -8F

Some pingers on my way to check the mountain at 1:30. Skied through the break in the action, a wind loaded mess, but only a touch of sleet mixing

Curious what the morning brings

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8 minutes ago, Froude said:

Northern VT resorts over 200" and Sunday River just passing 60" today blows my mind. Feast or famine this year on the northwest flow.

I was in Bethel for a family reunion this weekend and took a drive up to SR.  Seemed like plenty of snow.  Of course I don't live in one of the favored VT areas so I may not be able to judge all that accurately.

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3.3” today. I’ve only been up here five years but this is what I assume an old school winter feels like. Negative temps abundant, a smidge over 95” on the winter and 22” on the ground. The shovel piles around the cars are getting massive. 

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1 hour ago, borderwx said:

Cleared 4”, but the chimney is whistling so who knows for sure

Started the day with another sub zero dog walk, -8F

Some pingers on my way to check the mountain at 1:30. Skied through the break in the action, a wind loaded mess, but only a touch of sleet mixing

Curious what the morning brings

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Sweet! I'll be there this weekend. Excited for my annual big Jay lap. Hopefully the pow stayed fresh. 

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1 hour ago, mreaves said:

I was in Bethel for a family reunion this weekend and took a drive up to SR.  Seemed like plenty of snow.  Of course I don't live in one of the favored VT areas so I may not be able to judge all that accurately.

Glad to hear it for their sake.. I'm guessing they are good at retention over there. Smuggs is at 212" but was wiped to the ground just before New Years. Two different ways to get there.

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Yesterday morning I headed up to the mountain for a quick ski tour via the Wilderness Uphill Route to check on the round of upslope snow that had fallen during the overnight. Our winter weather pattern over the past week has been a bit of a whirlwind to keep track of, with another system coming through every day or two. In any event, Bolton Valley is reporting over two feet of snow in the past week, and this stretch has also driven their season snowfall total past the 200-inch mark. In the Village and all across the resort, the layers and layers of snow just keep stacking up to create a deep snowpack and some picturesque winter scenes.

We’re pushing farther into February now, but yesterday morning still featured some of that January cold, with lows in the single digits F. In fact, the Village was just barely in the positive digits F when I arrived. Thankfully, there wasn’t much wind at the base area elevations, and the clear skies and February sun were helping to take the edge off the chill.

There weren’t any issues to worry about with respect to the new upslope snow disturbing the right-side-up gradient in the powder – my liquid analyses from the house indicated that the snow was super dry, coming in with ratios in the 2 to 3 % H2O range. The cold temperatures did make the snow somewhat slow though, and that was definitely felt on lower angle slopes. I only toured up to the 2,500’ elevation mark, so the effects of wind weren’t too apparent, but you could see that the new snow had been pushed around and settled a bit from its initial ultra-low density.

The forecast says we’re moving into a slightly warmer weather pattern now though, and even at relatively high elevations in the Northern Greens, we’re not expected to have any more of those days with high in the single digits F for the foreseeable future. The first system in this pattern is Winter Storm Freya that is passing through the area now, and these upcoming storms look like they’ll have some decent moisture for resurfacing the on-piste areas at the resorts.

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What a wild one today!

Got caught in the early morning squall with the dog on the trails, that was fun

Cleared another 4”, and now just dealing with drifting

Mountain got drifted wicked good. There was a little crust from some freezing rain, but only in certain aspects, skied well. Be on your toes on Big J, we are getting into tree buried deep where the wind is loading it

Finished it off with another trail breaking out back. Rare to have a storms timeline snow pack.

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I know it’s been deeper before, but man what a great stretch of winter fun!


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It’s been fun.  This is from 4:05pm.  High Road had 6” between yesterday’s synoptic snow and the morning squalls.  Just so much wind with it.

The wind has been strong, but the snowpack is just stuffed and packed down.  Solidly above average.

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I didn’t have time to get out for turns this morning, so on the way home from Burlington I headed up for some afternoon/evening skiing at Bolton Valley to check out what the new snow had done for the slopes. I hadn’t been up to the mountain since Wednesday, so that mean all the snow from Winter Storm Freya yesterday, including the intense backside squalls this morning, had recently been added.

It often gets cold quickly as the sun goes down, but with temperatures in the upper 20s F today in the Champlain Valley, I figured it was a decent one for reasonable evening temperatures on the mountain. It was in the upper teens F when I arrived at the Village, which wasn’t bad, but there was also quite a brisk wind from the west that bit right into you while descending the trails. At least it was at your back while riding the lifts.

In terms of the ski conditions, you could tell that the mountain had received a decent shot of new snow for the slopes. Down at out house in the valley, Winter Storm Freya brought over a half inch of liquid equivalent, so the mountain should have picked up between a half inch and an inch of liquid from the storm. The only issue is that there appears to have been a lot of wind during various parts of the storm, so in the most exposed areas, much of that new snow had been scoured away. I could feel the extra coverage on the groomed slopes in protected areas though, and that would change quickly when you came to a windy spot, so you had to be on your guard and ready to lose some grip in those areas. Overall, though, there was some nice carving on the terrain I hit on the lower mountain off the Mid Mountain and Snowflake chairs this evening.

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9 hours ago, powderfreak said:

Just keeps going.  Streamers into the N.Greens.  Light snow down in town.

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That just kept rolling along all night – at observations time this morning it was light snow with fairly large flakes up to 15 mm here at our place. In their forecast discussion, the BTV NWS says it’s shortwave energy with a pocket of mid-level moisture and northwest flow.

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I received a text early this morning that we’d been put under a Winter Weather Advisory for the system expected to come into the area this evening (Winter Storm Garnett). The point forecast around here suggests accumulations in the 4-9” range, which is in line with the northern areas of the yellow 6-8” shading on the Event Total Snowfall map.

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The shortwave that hit the area overnight sort of felt like it came out of nowhere, but the snow cranked up enough to deliver a half foot across the Northern Greens, and it was still falling early this morning. As the morning progressed though, the snowfall eventually subsided, and the sun came out to give us a nice window of pleasant weather between systems. The sun helped bring the temperatures up around 20 F at the mountain today – I definitely felt that warmth down at the Timberline Base at 1,500’, but up above 3,000’ along the ridgelines, it was still well below 20 F, and the sunshine could only do so much.

The overnight snow made conditions at the resort even better than what I’d experienced yesterday. The rapid-fire storms that keep coming through just sort of blend together, but Bolton Valley is reporting 2 to 3 feet of new snow in the past week, and that snowfall is constantly refreshing the on-piste surfaces and the off-piste powder.

My younger son was up at the mountain with a group of about 10 friends today, so I joined them for a bit and enjoyed some of the especially good conditions on Wilderness since the lift has recently been down for mechanical work. The Vista Quad was down for a couple of periods today for mechanical issues of its own, so Wilderness would develop a lift queue during those periods, and the Timberline Quad would as well to a lesser extent. The Vista Quad eventually looked like it was running again, so hopefully they’ve taken care of whatever mechanical issue popped up.

The next system in the storm parade is Winter Storm Garnett, which looks to bring 4 to 8 inches of new snow to the mountains by tomorrow. The snow from Garnett has already started falling here at our house in Waterbury, so hopefully there will be a nice fresh coating of powder to kick things off at the mountain in the morning.

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Totals from the weekend storm.

 

VERMONT

 

...Addison County...

  1 SE Cornwall           9.5   700 AM  2/09  Co-Op Observer

  West Addison            8.0   745 AM  2/09  Public

  1 WNW Orwell            7.8   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  N Middlebury            7.2   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  4 NNE Shoreham          7.0   800 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  East Monkton            6.0   734 AM  2/09  Public

  Monkton                 6.0   732 AM  2/09  Public

  Bristol                 4.9   700 AM  2/09  Co-Op Observer

  4 ENE Starksboro        3.6   900 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

 

..Bennington County...

5 NNW Londonderry            12.5 in   0633 AM 02/09

Manchester 2.8 ENE           9.3 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS

3 NNE Arlington              8.7 in    0847 AM 02/09   Public

4 SSW Manchester             8.7 in    0839 AM 02/09   Public

Peru                         8.4 in    0600 AM 02/09   COOP

3 NW Arlington               8.0 in    0851 AM 02/09

Shaftsbury 0.4 WNW           8.0 in    0845 AM 02/09   COCORAHS

5 SSW Arlington              7.0 in    0645 AM 02/09

5 S Woodford State Park      5.8 in    0105 PM 02/09   Trained Spotter

Bennington                   5.5 in    1230 PM 02/09   Public

 

...Caledonia County...

  2 WNW Wells River       6.2   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  4 W Barnet              4.5   800 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  N Danville              4.0   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  N St. Johnsbury         3.6   811 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  2 S Wheelock            3.2   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  West Burke              3.0   734 AM  2/09  Public

  Sutton                  2.8   830 AM  2/09  Co-Op Observer

 

...Chittenden County...

  2 SW Hinesburg          5.3   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  1 N Hinesburg           4.9   843 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  1 ENE Shelburne         4.8   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  3 SSW South Burlingt    4.2   810 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  1 NE South Burlingto    3.9   933 AM  2/09  NWS Office

  N Winooski              3.7   941 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  WSW Williston           3.5   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  South Burlington        3.5   818 AM  2/09  Public

  1 E Huntington          3.5   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  1 S Essex Center        3.3   745 AM  2/09  NWS Employee

  4 NW Burlington         3.2   800 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  2 NW Westford           3.2   850 AM  2/09  NWS Employee

  1 NNW Burlington        2.6   929 AM  2/09  NWS Employee

  4 NNE Underhill         2.5   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  1 N Colchester          2.5   552 AM  2/09  NWS Employee

  5 NNE Underhill         2.5   610 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  1 SW Milton             2.2   819 AM  2/09  NWS Employee

  1 E Nashville           2.0   645 AM  2/09  Co-Op Observer

 

...Essex County...

  Maidstone State Park    2.5   907 AM  2/09  Public

  2 NNW Lunenburg         2.0   530 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

 

...Franklin County...

  5 WNW Fairfax           2.2   900 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  St. Albans              2.1   750 AM  2/09  Public

  3 N Enosburg Falls      1.6   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  4 ESE Montgomery        1.0   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

 

...Lamoille County...

  SW Stowe                3.2   730 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  2 N Johnson             3.0   700 AM  2/09  Co-Op Observer

  Elmore                  2.0   902 AM  2/09  Public

  3 N Smugglers Notch     1.8   730 AM  2/09  Co-Op Observer

  1 SSW Jeffersonville    1.4   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

 

...Orange County...

  3 SW Braintree          9.1   800 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  WTPV1                   9.0   700 AM  2/09  Co-Op Observer

  Tunbridge               9.0   743 AM  2/09  Public

  3 WSW Williamstown      8.5   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  2 E Topsham Four Cor    8.5   736 AM  2/09  Public

  2 ENE West Fairlee      8.4   800 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  2 E Corinth Corners     8.3   700 AM  2/09  Co-Op Observer

  2 SE Strafford          8.0   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  Corinth                 8.0   900 AM  2/09  Public

  2 NNW Bradford          7.4   630 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  Fairlee                 6.5   741 AM  2/09  Public

 

...Orleans County...

  4 NNE Greensboro        3.9   830 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  Craftsbury Common       2.6   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  7 SE Morgan             2.5   600 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  2 NNW Greensboro        2.4   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  1 WNW Westfield         2.0   715 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  2 W Derby Line          1.8   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

 

...Rutland County...

  North Shrewsbury        8.5   901 AM  2/09  Public

  1 SSE West Rutland      7.0   800 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  1 N West Rutland        6.6   615 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  Chittenden              6.3   817 AM  2/09  Public

  1 W Shrewsbury          6.0   530 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  3 N Rutland             5.8   902 AM  2/09  Public

  3 SSW Wallingford       5.7   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  Brandon                 5.5   813 AM  2/09  Public

 

...Washington County...

  1 SW East Barre         8.4   928 AM  2/09  NWS Employee

  East Warren             8.0   903 AM  2/09  Public

  3 E Warren              8.0   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  2 N Northfield          7.3   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  Fayston                 7.1  1001 AM  2/09  Public

  4 ENE Cabot             6.5   900 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  3 NW Waterbury          6.4   600 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  East Montpelier         5.5   730 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  1 ESE Plainfield        4.6   700 AM  2/09  Co-Op Observer

  3 NNW Woodbury          4.0   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  2 N Calais              4.0   726 AM  2/09  Trained Spotter

  Marshfield              4.0   728 AM  2/09  Public

  4 ESE Marshfield        4.0   830 AM  2/09  Trained Spotter

 

...Windham County...

Rockingham 1.1 NNE           7.3 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS

Saxtons River 0.2 NNW        7.3 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS

Westminster 5.5 W            7.2 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS

1 SSE Townshend              7.0 in    1200 PM 02/09   Trained Spotter

Brattleboro                  7.0 in    0729 AM 02/09   Public

East Dover 1.8 N             7.0 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS

Putney 0.7 NE                6.9 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS

5.6 W West Brattleboro       6.7 in    0800 AM 02/09   COOP

Marlboro 2.0 NNE             6.7 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS

East Dummerston 0.5 NE       6.5 in    0800 AM 02/09   COCORAHS

Guilford 7.0 SW              6.2 in    0730 AM 02/09   COCORAHS

Wilmington 0.6 WNW           6.0 in    0758 AM 02/09   COCORAHS

Brattleboro 0.7 S            5.4 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS

Brattleboro 1.3 WSW          5.3 in    0700 AM 02/09   COCORAHS

1 WNW Wilmington             5.0 in    0656 AM 02/09

 

...Windsor County...

  2 NE Rochester         11.8   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  Ludlow                 10.0   857 AM  2/09  Public

  Bethel                  9.0   825 AM  2/09  Public

  Weathersfield           9.0   952 AM  2/09  Public

  Hartland                9.0   827 AM  2/09  Public

  3 S Ludlow              8.5   905 AM  2/09  Trained Spotter

  Royalton                8.0   817 AM  2/09  Public

  South Royalton          8.0  1000 AM  2/09  Public

  NNE Proctorsville       7.9   745 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  3 NW Barnard            7.5   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  2 NNE Rochester         7.5   700 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  1 N Hartland            7.1   959 AM  2/09  CoCoRaHS

  1 E Woodstock           7.0   800 AM  2/09  Co-Op Observer

  Rochester               7.0   850 AM  2/09  Public

  Sharon                  7.0   917 AM  2/09  0.24 liquid equivalent

  3 NE West Hartford      5.6   505 AM  2/09  Public

 

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My wife and I finally made it to Bolton to explore the backcountry network this past weekend. It's a wonderful thing they have created up there and the people in the NBC are really nice.

The snow conditions and weather were great on Saturday. But I was not expecting a super-highway in place of a traditional skin track. We did several laps to the most distant areas on the map we could find and found loads of skiers everywhere. We found a few places where you could make two or three really nice powder turns, but most areas we found were heavily tracked out. Most of the glade areas funnel skiers to relatively narrow spaces so it's difficult to spread people out. Requiring skinners to stay on trail also creates long queues that feel more like in-bounds hiking than tranquil backcountry ski touring.

What I learned (or rather confirmed) is that 1) the area is doing very well snow-wise this winter and 2) you really have to avoid weekends if you can. It's probably also really helpful to venture out with locals who know the area extremely well.

It met numerous beginner ski tourers... lots of families with kids, which is really encouraging to see. Also checked out in-bounds Bolton and Sugarbush and holy moly is it crowded up there. What a circus.

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