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14 minutes ago, DDweatherman said:

Elaborate in what you’re saying here. If a 940 is 100 miles offshore and weakens but hits Clearwater, tampas taking 8-10 ft of surge.

I'm simply referring to the structural change that leads to much of the precip shifting to the northern half of the circulation.

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I don’t think many people from outside the area here fully appreciate the situation we find ourselves in here around the shore areas of Tampa Bay 

there’s literally piles ten feet high of debris , discarded furniture, appliances and miscellaneous crap up and down the coast for miles and miles.  I doubt much of it will be picked up by the time the rains hit.  Any surge or even just heavy rains in this area will push that stuff into houses and cars and create tremendous hazards for anyone caught in the flood path. 
 

if we get cane strength winds ahead of the flooding then all those items will also go flying. I mean you couldn’t script a more damaging scenario if you tried.

i also failed to mention how all that crap by the side of the roads will certainly clog up our storm drains in short order.  A mild surge can then turn into a major flood even in areas that don’t normally flood. 

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24 minutes ago, SnowGoose69 said:

 

 

 

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We went to my wifes dads house in St Pete this week to just help clean things up and move what we could salvage and move it into storage inland,he has Parkinsons disease and cant do to much on his own,his house was under 4-feet of water,thats someones boat in his swimming pool,its still there no one has claimed it as of yet

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2 minutes ago, IUsedToHateCold said:

Any possibility this thing goes south of where the models have it now? Ideally, south of Florida altogether?

It’s hard to miss that much on a system @ 4-4.5 day leads that has a well defined COC which this has developed fairly quickly. 

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2 minutes ago, IUsedToHateCold said:

Any possibility this thing goes south of where the models have it now? Ideally, south of Florida altogether?

Model agreement seems to be converging We could hope for some dry air front or some other system to disrupt Milton somewhat but each hour makes a miss less likely. I believe mets will tell you yes there is always a possibility with nearly 3 days out 

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18Z SHIPS modestly favors rapid intensification. It only peaks Milton at 80 kts though, which given latest dynamical guidance, should probably be viewed as closer to the lower bound. 

                     *                  GFS version                   *
                     * ATLANTIC     2024 SHIPS INTENSITY FORECAST     *
                     * IR SAT DATA AVAILABLE,       OHC AVAILABLE     *
                     *  MILTON      AL142024  10/05/24  18 UTC        *

TIME (HR)          0     6    12    18    24    36    48    60    72    84    96
V (KT) NO LAND    35    39    44    49    55    63    73    76    78    80    72
V (KT) LAND       35    39    44    49    55    63    73    76    78    80    65
V (KT) LGEM       35    38    41    45    49    59    69    76    80    80    74
Storm Type      TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP  TROP

SHEAR (KT)         4     8     9    10     8    16    15    20    19    31    44
SHEAR ADJ (KT)    -1     1     0    -1     0     1    -1     4     5     9     2
SHEAR DIR        225   243   246   244   233   229   243   244   242   241   235
SST (C)         31.2  31.3  31.2  31.1  31.0  31.1  30.9  30.7  30.8  30.0  30.0
POT. INT. (KT)   168   169   168   169   169   170   171   172   172   170   171
200 MB T (C)   -51.5 -51.3 -51.4 -51.4 -51.4 -51.4 -51.1 -51.1 -50.7 -50.4 -49.5
200 MB VXT (C)   0.4   0.4   0.5   0.4   0.4   0.3   0.5   0.9   1.1   1.4   1.8
TH_E DEV (C)       7     7     6     6     8     7     7     7     7     5     5
700-500 MB RH     79    76    75    73    71    67    63    56    52    50    50
MODEL VTX (KT)    10    10    12    13    15    18    24    26    29    34    34
850 MB ENV VOR    56    43    30    31    39    57    62    54   135   133   124
200 MB DIV        48    30    25     8    12    26    31    31    40    56    61
700-850 TADV       0    -2    -1    -3    -3    -5    -5    -5    -1     4     7
LAND (KM)        214   250   271   322   373   343   285   291   409   234     0
LAT (DEG N)     22.5  22.9  23.2  23.2  23.2  23.1  23.5  24.1  25.3  26.6  28.1
LONG(DEG W)     95.5  95.3  95.1  94.6  94.1  92.8  91.2  89.2  86.9  84.8  82.8
STM SPEED (KT)     3     4     4     5     5     7     9    11    12    11    13
HEAT CONTENT      48    51    52    51    50    48    46    44    61    28    24

 SHIPS Prob RI for 20kt/ 12hr RI threshold=   5% is   1.1 times climatological mean ( 4.9%)
 SHIPS Prob RI for 25kt/ 24hr RI threshold=  41% is   3.8 times climatological mean (10.9%)
 SHIPS Prob RI for 30kt/ 24hr RI threshold=  26% is   3.8 times climatological mean ( 6.8%)
 SHIPS Prob RI for 35kt/ 24hr RI threshold=  10% is   2.6 times climatological mean ( 3.9%)
 SHIPS Prob RI for 40kt/ 24hr RI threshold=   7% is   2.9 times climatological mean ( 2.4%)
 SHIPS Prob RI for 45kt/ 36hr RI threshold=  16% is   3.4 times climatological mean ( 4.6%)
 SHIPS Prob RI for 55kt/ 48hr RI threshold=  17% is   3.6 times climatological mean ( 4.7%)
 SHIPS Prob RI for 65kt/ 72hr RI threshold=  23% is   4.4 times climatological mean ( 5.3%)
    
Matrix of RI probabilities
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  RI (kt / h)  | 20/12 | 25/24 | 30/24 | 35/24 | 40/24 | 45/36 | 55/48  |65/72
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
   SHIPS-RII:     5.3%   41.2%   25.9%   10.2%    7.0%   15.7%   16.8%   23.3%
    Logistic:    13.3%   46.9%   34.4%   10.9%    4.7%   13.6%    8.7%    4.5%
    Bayesian:     2.7%    7.9%    3.1%    1.5%    0.6%    0.8%    0.9%    0.8%
   Consensus:     7.1%   32.0%   21.1%    7.5%    4.1%   10.0%    8.8%    9.5%
       DTOPS:     3.0%   21.0%    7.0%    3.0%    1.0%    3.0%   17.0%   39.0%
       SDCON:     5.0%   26.5%   14.0%    5.2%    2.5%    6.5%   12.9%   24.2%

 

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16 minutes ago, DDweatherman said:

The central and northern gulf, not as much given the accelerated pace once it got north of keys latitude. It was large, so maybe that helps a bit. Any mets care to chime in? 

It’s a factor, but not a big one as it’s going to pass over the loop current which continually refreshes new warm water. It’s one of the biggest OHC (ocean heat content) in the world. Think Katrina and Rita. It could certainly weaken slightly after moving into the shelf waters, but surge wise to little to late. 

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10 minutes ago, cptcatz said:

Is this the most frightening model image seen in a long time?

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Given it affects the largest population center in Western Florida,  it most certainly is.  

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To the upwelling question—there’s still plenty of warm water at along the path.

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Just as important, there’s depth to support a significant hurricane. Milton is likely to cross the Loop Current. 

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A further south track could take it across that cooler spot, but that seems unlikely at this time. 
 

25 minutes ago, cptcatz said:

Is this the most frightening model image seen in a long time?

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Just want to note for those lurking without much experience tracking tropical—those are 850mb winds, and would almost certainly not reach the surface, though those kind of winds aloft suggest significant (but again weaker) winds are possible at the surface.

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9 minutes ago, andyhb said:

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Really very not great...

Wow certainly not.  Hyperbole is overused these days but this setup continues to progress towards worst case for TB/Pinellas and Hillsborough Counties most specifically.

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10 minutes ago, andyhb said:

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Really very not great...

Track scenarios are split: north of Tampa Bay or right over Ft. Myers. Both tracks would be devastating with catastrophic storm surge.

Saving grace would be an eyewall replacement cycle but in actual reality that wouldn’t help much. 
 

Environment supports Milton landfalling at peak intensity. To complicate matters, the critical angle of approach to compound the storm surge threat.

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14 minutes ago, andyhb said:

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Really very not great...

You just have to hope it comes in south of tampa.  It will be very lopsided to the south and east so if you keep the major winds south of tampa you spare the most

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