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E PA/NJ/DE Fall 2024 Obs/Discussion


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2 minutes ago, JTA66 said:

1989-90 redux :axe:

Not really. That winter was a unicorn, one-of-a-kind. November 1989 was already cold, and it snowed on Thanksgiving (it's still the most recent Thanksgiving snow for PHL). December 1989 was record cold. Then, all of a sudden, the pattern changed and January 1990 was 15 degrees warmer than December 1989. That jump is bigger than the normal March-April or April-May jump.

The first third of December is going to be cold, but the middle third should be above average temperaturewise, and overall, December 2024 should be near average. January 2025 is going to be warm like January 1990, but I still think February 2025 will be cold and snowy.

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I highly doubt a deep freeze will happen, but I see colder than average temperatures during the first third of the month. There's a very good chance for a snow event during this time frame. However, it will turn warmer than average for the middle third of December. I can see cooler than average temperatures during the final third of December. However, I am not sure of a Christmas snow event. The last White Christmas at PHL was in 2002, and the last snow event near Christmas was December 26, 2010.

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2-3 inches are  my intial  thoughts for the LV proper , more around S  Mt  area  and Blue Mt areas (3-5 inches). Strictly elevation driven snow accumaltions . For example, driving through Shimerville on Rt 29 and toward Bear Creek resort ,  I see some good  accumalting snow. Same goes with driving through Wind Gap, Lehigh Tunnel and Rt 309. Big wet heavy snow flakes  half dollar size to pancake size-white rain). The streets will cave in the LV  for accumalation  if it snows hard enough  in the early morning and toward sunrise. Poconos 12+ in around Tobyhanna a good bet. Winter storm watches issued for the Pocono area by morning Advisories everywhere else after Euro run

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2 hours ago, Albedoman said:

2-3 inches are  my intial  thoughts for the LV proper , more around S  Mt  area  and Blue Mt areas (3-5 inches). Strictly elevation driven snow accumaltions . For example, driving through Shimerville on Rt 29 and toward Bear Creek resort ,  I see some good  accumalting snow. Same goes with driving through Wind Gap, Lehigh Tunnel and Rt 309. Big wet heavy snow flakes  half dollar size to pancake size-white rain). The streets will cave in the LV  for accumalation  if it snows hard enough  in the early morning and toward sunrise. Poconos 12+ in around Tobyhanna a good bet. Winter storm watches issued for the Pocono area by morning Advisories everywhere else after Euro run

Ah, 309. I go over the Blue on 309 six to eight times per shift running my spring water loads. It's going to be a fun morning if it happens.

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Latest NAM seems to be doing the best picking out the more elevated spots seeing some measurable snow. If it is correct it looks like most spots from 500ft to 800 ft ASL from NW Chesco/SE Berks and northeast thru Lehigh/Bucks/Montco could see 1" to 2" of slushy accumulation with the amounts ramping up pretty quickly once above 1k feet and up toward the Poconos etc.

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8 minutes ago, Voyager said:

Can't use 10:1 in this setup, though. Kuchera maps would be closer to verifying, if it plays out as depicted. No one's going to see 10:1 ratios, especially the lower elevations.

Agreed! Even the Kuchey looks overblown for low spots - this is the type of event where every 50 feet could make differences in snow totals...

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Here in East Nantmeal we picked up 0.08" of rain last night. Cloudy today before the rain moves in later tonight most likely around the 9pm hour from west to east across Chester County. Between 0.50" to 0.75" of much needed rain are possible across the county by Thursday morning. By later Thursday afternoon we will see some additional precipitation start to enter the area and this may well be a mix of rain and snow with higher spots in the county the most likely to see some wet snow. This mix of rain and snow may continue into the day on Friday before ending late Friday. Clearing and seasonably chilly this weekend.

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9 minutes ago, LVblizzard said:

NAM has backed off significantly for NE PA but still gets snow down to the LV and Philly burbs. Probably wouldn’t accumulate since most of it comes during the day on Friday. We’ll see if the rest of the 12z suite agrees.

You’re looking at 6z. 
 

12z increased snow pretty significantly from 6z 

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On 11/19/2024 at 7:15 AM, Mikeymac5306 said:

Welcome back snow birds!  Happy snow hunting this year! 

Was seeing a billion "notifications" and finally got chance to get in here to check. Wasn't sure if it was due to the rare "liquid substance from the sky" or some actual or progged incoming "frozen substance from the sky" (given the WWA and Watches up for the northern CWA). :lol:

I  made it up to 59 yesterday after a low of 44, and had a low this morning of 49, with an amazing 0.04" of rain that happened sometime between 10 pm - 11 pm.

In any case, looking forward to some actual soaking rain now.  Will have to see where the triple point sets up and whether that generates anything convective.   Haven't yet looked at the models but I know the GFS likes to spin stuff up before caving later...

Currently partly cloudy and 59 with dp 48.

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