NorthHillsWx Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Recon should provide a well timed pass here in a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbullsfan Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Maybe it’s a wobble but seems to be back in more of a NW direction as well, moving further from the coast. May only be an hour or two difference but the further west it goes the more time over water if/when it turns to the east. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wthrmn654 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Wrong storm lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jtm12180 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 6 hours ago, WxWatcher007 said: Yeah I’m not really sure what to think. The ensembles were split between the op and a more progressive track. That would be an absolutely catastrophic scenario for my neck of the woods…damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 No question the potential for excessive rainfall over coastal GA/SC in particular is a major concern. Still not entirely clear Debby gets back over the Atlantic, which could impact level of flooding threat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherCCB Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 First visible shows towers blowing near and around the center. only a matter of time now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 22 minutes ago, NorthHillsWx said: Yep it’s just continued to look more and more impressive since I posted too. This looks like a very clear attempt at an eyewall It tried very early this morning and failed, but it looks like it’s getting further along in this attempt. We’ll see if the radar look is reflected in a tighter RMW on the next recon pass. Still a fair amount of work to do on the western and southern side. 8 minutes ago, Jtm12180 said: That would be an absolutely catastrophic scenario for my neck of the woods…damn Hope your area ends up ok. The most consistent signal with this one continues to be rainfall. 5 minutes ago, dan11295 said: No question the potential for excessive rainfall over coastal GA/SC in particular is a major concern. Still not entirely clear Debby gets back over the Atlantic, which could impact level of flooding threat. It seems like the global models get it into the Atlantic even though the longer range tracks diverge. The Euro with a more progressive track (less prone to fully collapsing the steering pattern) keeps it offshore longer before a second landfall. Not only is this important for the longer range track and intensity, but also coastal flooding. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wthrmn654 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Poor thing is only half looking hurricane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxWatcher007 Posted August 4 Author Share Posted August 4 Sorry if I’m late but we have a D3 High risk for excessive rainfall in coastal SC and GA. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooneWX Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 27 minutes ago, wthrmn654 said: Poor thing is only half looking hurricane. Classic pre-boom shrimp look 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkeye_wx Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 The surface center is still weak and displaced to the wsw of the nice mid-level center we see on radar. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAwx Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Starting up here in South Tampa. Impressive rainfall rates in this band. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mob1 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Looks like recon flew into the relocated center now and extrapolated pressure is near 997 mb. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Debby's lopsided look this morning is a little deceiving. Certainly, the eastern half of the larger circulation is more convectively active on satellite and radar; however, keep in mind that Debby's RMW is still relatively small despite the circulation being large with a large wind field. It's an organizing tropical cyclone, not a reorganizing former hurricane with a sloppy spread out RMW. As pressures begin to fall, it should tighten rather significantly. The core also now has multiple CBs rotating around that should aid in pressure falls and an increase in gradient. 24 hours remaining over very hot SSTs is plenty of time to reach hurricane intensity, and I am confident Debby will become a Category 1 prior to landfall along the Big Bend of Florida. Hopefully, there isn't enough time for RI to begin, but unfortunately, it can't be ruled out. A category 2 is quite possible here, and certainly any higher category potential made worse in that Debby will be undergoing intensification through landfall versus being a TC that is weakening. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbullsfan Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Starting up here in South Tampa. Impressive rainfall rates in this band. Haven’t seen a drop here all morning, storm just too far west. I’m sure we will get a few bands or light rain but this is pretty much a northern Florida and up event. Really surprised Reed Timmer came to Tampa opposed to further up the coast . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooneWX Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 High winds and surge or not, Debby is already going to be one for the record books across the southeast. SC and Georgia - likely portions of NC as well, are going to see historic levels of flooding. This storm is looking like it’ll be a less sexy version of Hurricane Floyd. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospero Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 54 mph gust at Egmont Channel: 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 USAFR flight suggests the center is still elliptical N to S (LLC and MLC not quite aligned. I do see on radar (using Werathernerds site) that the center is making attempts at an eyewall, not quite getting there. If the center does tighten up it should have more than a day of 30* + water to strengthen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeWinds Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 13 minutes ago, dbullsfan said: Haven’t seen a drop here all morning, storm just too far west. I’m sure we will get a few bands or light rain but this is pretty much a northern Florida and up event. Really surprised Reed Timmer came to Tampa opposed to further up the coast . You'll see decent squalls especially as it lifts north. Areas of central and north central peninsula probably will see their worst conditions Monday instead of today as it gets a more easterly movement and the plume drags with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wthrmn654 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Recon analysis: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 USAFR flight suggests the center is still elliptical N to S (LLC and MLC not quite aligned. I do see on radar (using Werathernerds site) that the center is making attempts at an eyewall, not quite getting there. If the center does tighten up it should have more than a day of 30* + water to strengthen.Downshear LLC reformation was occurring while reconnaissance was sampling the vortex. The LLC is now currently aligned, at least temporarily. We'll just have to see if the improving structure holds. If it does hold, intensification should be underway. Webb and Hazelton both recently made posts about this evolution of the vortex. It's also not uncommon in slightly sheared systems that are moving in a vector of the upper-level flow. Debby is a well-ventilated system even if there is shear to contend with, and there is net gain within the environment to support intensification (i.e. divergence aloft versus vortex tilt). We've seen this too often with northward moving systems in the GOM. The hope is that the presence of dry air in the western circulation in the mid-levels might get advected into the core circulation. But we're not dealing with strong shear either. Debby could close off and protect its core if these intense CBs keep wrapping it.Here's a few posts about the vort evolution mentioned above. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Tropical Storm Debby Advisory Number 9 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL042024 1100 AM EDT Sun Aug 04 2024 ...DEBBY LIKELY TO STRENGTHEN RAPIDLY BEFORE LANDFALL IN THE FLORIDA BIG BEND REGION... ...MAJOR FLOOD THREAT LOOMS OVER THE SOUTHEASTERN UNITED STATES... SUMMARY OF 1100 AM EDT...1500 UTC...INFORMATION ----------------------------------------------- LOCATION...27.0N 84.3W ABOUT 130 MI...210 KM WSW OF TAMPA FLORIDA ABOUT 160 MI...260 KM SSW OF CEDAR KEY FLORIDA MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...65 MPH...100 KM/H PRESENT MOVEMENT...NNW OR 330 DEGREES AT 13 MPH...20 KM/H MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...992 MB...29.30 INCHES WATCHES AND WARNINGS -------------------- CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY: A Storm Surge Warning has been issued from the middle of Longboat Key to Aripeka, Florida including Tampa Bay. The Tropical Storm Warning for the Florida Keys east of the Dry Tortugas is discontinued. The Tropical Storm Watch for the Florida Keys north of the Seven Mile Bridge to the Channel 5 Bridge is discontinued. SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT: A Storm Surge Warning is in effect for... * Florida coast from the middle of Longboat Key northward to Indian Pass including Tampa Bay A Storm Surge Watch is in effect for... * Florida coast from Bonita Beach northward to the middle of Longboat Key, including Charlotte Harbor * Georgia and South Carolina coast from the Mouth of the St. Mary's River to South Santee River South Carolina A Hurricane Warning is in effect for... * Florida coast from the Suwannee River to the Ochlockonee River A Hurricane Watch is in effect for... * Florida coast west of the Ochlockonee River to Indian Pass * Florida coast south of the Suwannee River to Yankeetown A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for... * Dry Tortugas * Florida coast south of the Suwannee River to East Cape Sable * Florida coast west of the Ochlockonee River to Indian Pass A Tropical Storm Watch is in effect for... * Florida coast west of Indian Pass to Mexico Beach * Georgia and South Carolina coast from the Mouth of the St. Mary's River to South Santee River South Carolina A Hurricane Warning means that hurricane conditions are expected somewhere within the warning area. A warning is typically issued 36 hours before the anticipated first occurrence of tropical-storm-force winds, conditions that make outside preparations difficult or dangerous. Preparations to protect life and property should be rushed to completion. A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are expected somewhere within the warning area within 36 hours. A Hurricane Watch means that hurricane conditions are possible within the watch area. A watch is typically issued 48 hours before the anticipated first occurrence of tropical-storm-force winds, conditions that make outside preparations difficult or dangerous. A Tropical Storm Watch means that tropical storm conditions are possible within the watch area, generally within 48 hours. A Storm Surge Warning means there is a danger of life-threatening inundation, from rising water moving inland from the coastline, during the next 36 hours in the indicated locations. For a depiction of areas at risk, please see the National Weather Service Storm Surge Watch/Warning Graphic, available at hurricanes.gov. This is a life-threatening situation. Persons located within these areas should take all necessary actions to protect life and property from rising water and the potential for other dangerous conditions. Promptly follow evacuation and other instructions from local officials. A Storm Surge Watch means there is a possibility of life- threatening inundation, from rising water moving inland from the coastline, in the indicated locations during the next 48 hours. For a depiction of areas at risk, please see the National Weather Service Storm Surge Watch/Warning Graphic, available at hurricanes.gov. Interests elsewhere in Florida and the southeastern coast of the United States should monitor the progress of this system. Additional watches and warnings will likely be required later today. For storm information specific to your area, including possible inland watches and warnings, please monitor products issued by your local National Weather Service forecast office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Tropical Storm Debby Discussion Number 9 NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL042024 1100 AM EDT Sun Aug 04 2024 Hurricane Hunter aircraft observations indicate that Debby continues to intensify over the eastern Gulf of Mexico. Satellite imagery shows that the cloud pattern is becoming better developed with increasing deep convection near the center of circulation, and WSR-88D radar data indicate that an eyewall is beginning to form. The current intensity estimate is estimated to be 55 kt based on a significant drop in central pressure reported the aircraft. The cyclone has been turning gradually to the right and the initial motion is north-northwestward or 330/11 kt. Over the next day or so, Debby should move through a weakness in the mid-level subtropical ridge over the southeastern United States and reach the northeast Gulf of Mexico coast in the Florida Big Bend region on Monday. After the system makes landfall, the steering currents are likely to weaken as a trough over the northeastern U.S. moves eastward from the area, which should result in a decrease in forward speed. There is significant uncertainty in the track of Debby in the 2-5 day time frame. Much of the track guidance keeps the center over the southeastern U.S. for the next several days as a ridge builds in over the Carolinas. The official track forecast is similar to the previous one and close to the HFIP corrected consensus prediction. This keeps the slow-moving center near the Georgia and South Carolina coast in the 3 to 5 day time-frame. Debby will be moving over very warm waters and in a low-vertical shear environment prior to landfall. Therefore significant strengthening is likely through tonight, especially if the cyclone forms a well-defined inner core The official forecast is near the high side of the objective guidance and calls for the system to become a hurricane within 12 hours. The cyclone will weaken after it moves inland, but since the system will not be far from the coastline for the next few days, it is not predicted to fall below tropical storm strength through 72 hours. Key Messages: 1. Heavy rainfall will likely result in considerable flooding impacts from the Florida Big Bend region through southeast GA and the Coastal Plain of the Carolinas through Friday. Potentially historic heavy rainfall across southeast Georgia and South Carolina through Friday morning may result in areas of catastrophic flooding. Significant river flooding is also expected. 2. There is a danger of life-threatening storm surge along portions of the Gulf Coast of Florida, with 6 to 10 feet of inundation above ground level expected somewhere between Ochlockonee River and Suwannee River on Monday. Residents in the Storm Surge Warning area should follow any advice given by local officials. 3. Hurricane conditions are expected Monday along portions of the Florida Big Bend region where a Hurricane Warning is in effect, with tropical storm conditions beginning this evening. Tropical storm conditions are expected through Monday farther south within the Tropical Storm Warning along Florida's west coast, including the Tampa Bay area. 4. Impacts from storm surge and strong winds are possible along the southeast coast from Georgia to North Carolina through the middle of the week, and storm surge watches and tropical storm watches have been issued for portions of these areas. Additional watches and warnings will likely be required later today. FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS INIT 04/1500Z 27.0N 84.3W 55 KT 65 MPH 12H 05/0000Z 28.3N 84.5W 65 KT 75 MPH 24H 05/1200Z 29.9N 84.1W 80 KT 90 MPH 36H 06/0000Z 30.9N 83.4W 60 KT 70 MPH...INLAND 48H 06/1200Z 31.6N 82.5W 40 KT 45 MPH...INLAND 60H 07/0000Z 31.9N 81.5W 35 KT 40 MPH...INLAND 72H 07/1200Z 32.2N 80.5W 45 KT 50 MPH...OVER WATER 96H 08/1200Z 33.5N 79.5W 40 KT 45 MPH...INLAND 120H 09/1200Z 35.5N 78.0W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND $$ Forecaster Pasch 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 I completely missed there was a 993 mb reading on that last splashdown. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southmdwatcher Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 There are some healthy circulations with CC drops in the band approaching Tampa area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jebman Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 hours ago, WxWatcher007 said: It tried very early this morning and failed, but it looks like it’s getting further along in this attempt. We’ll see if the radar look is reflected in a tighter RMW on the next recon pass. Still a fair amount of work to do on the western and southern side. Hope your area ends up ok. The most consistent signal with this one continues to be rainfall. It seems like the global models get it into the Atlantic even though the longer range tracks diverge. The Euro with a more progressive track (less prone to fully collapsing the steering pattern) keeps it offshore longer before a second landfall. Not only is this important for the longer range track and intensity, but also coastal flooding. That's ridiculous, 20 to 30 inches of rain potentially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPAwx Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 12z GFS op slightly east for landfall Mon AM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbullsfan Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 8 minutes ago, TPAwx said: 12z GFS op slightly east for landfall Mon AM Are you getting anything yet? Radar looking like some bands might start coming through shortly but it has been looking like that for a couple hours now and still waiting on first sign of rain. Even getting some blue skies popping through the breaks in clouds. Maybe its a dome over my area but just seems to break apart before it gets here each time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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