Windspeed Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Pressure still dropping. Recon just had a pass with an extrapolated 934.9mb.Pressures falling down into the 920s would be extremely impressive considering the higher background pressure regime across the eastern Caribbean and SW Atlantic Basin right now. 22 mph (19 kts) on a WNW heading is indicative of how strong the flow around the SPHS remains. Honestly, if Beryl wasn't already such a powerful vortex, or rather, a weak or developing TC, it would likely be having coupling issues with surface convergence and efficiency of latent heat content despite high SSTs. It's moving about as fast as Andrew was during its status as a Cat 5. I believe Janet was even a bit faster at 24 mph (21 kts). So fast Cat 5s do happen, obviously, but only after they're already strong TCs.Edit: Actually, Andrew's top speed of 18 mph (16 kts) didn't occur until it reached the Bahamas. I am trying to find some other Category 5s that compare to Beryl with regards to forward motion if anyone wants to contribute.Edit 2: Hurricane Ivan was moving at 17 mph when it attained Category 5 status in the same general area of ECARIB. Interestingly, it had a swift motion of 21 mph as a Category 4 storm in the MDR, but gradually slowed down to around 16 mph upon its tear through the ECARIB, then to nearly a stall and NW turn after Jamaica. *still looking* 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGoose69 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 3 minutes ago, andyhb said: Nevermind yes, looked like it stayed barely off the coast. Otherwise it probably would've been another Gilbert for them. I was listening to some radio station in Jamaica that night as were some others here on this forum or maybe easternwx, I recall the guys giving a play by play and it took somewhat of a last minute jog SW I think 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER53 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 8 minutes ago, Jebman said: 145 kts = 171 mph. Look, I dont want this. I never, EVER want to see a hurricane like this for real, but could this thing reach 200 mph? I know this is a super anomalous season with above norm SSTs, but that would be beyond ridiculous. In early July. In the ECARIB, for gollys sakes. People speak of the terrible shrieking sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebman Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 2 minutes ago, WEATHER53 said: People speak of the terrible shrieking sound Yeah I used to think I wanted to go chase a Cat 5 with a pro chaser, but naaaaah. Risk can be fun but that would be pushing it. I'll stick with clearing brush in 103 weather in south Texas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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WxWatcher007 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 00z GFS significantly weakens Beryl but is a little further north for a direct hit on Jamaica Wednesday afternoon, a Yucatán landfall (also weak) Friday morning, and a further north track into south Texas (also weak) late Sunday. A good illustration of how much uncertainty there is later this week. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 1) Jamaica H landfalls since 1950, the first two of which were very bad major H hits from the E 1951: Charlie (E to W)(MH) 1988: Gilbert (E to W)(MH) 2012: Sandy (S to N on E end) 2) Jamaica H close misses since 1950: Ivan and Dean very bad hits passing just S: 1950: King (W) 1964: Cleo (N) 1974: Carmen (S) 1980: Allen (N) 2001: Iris (S) 2004: Charley (S) and Ivan (S)(very bad hit) 2005: Dennis (NE) 2007: Dean (S)(very bad hit) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normandy Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Another MONSTER recon pass. 931 extrap. 154 KT FL winds In NE quad. 141 KT FL in NW quad. Beast mode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 Just now, Normandy said: Another MONSTER recon pass. 931 extrap. 154 KT FL winds In NE quad. 148 KT FL in NW quad. Beast mode Since I'm not a master of the various other sensors, and most are, by nature, hours out of date, I'm trying to work on change of lightning frequency. Accurate for SETX storms near severe limits, more lightning, more likely severe, sudden drop, weakening imminent. Lighting frequency is starting to decrease, Beryl is likely at the peak. GFS well supported by ensembles in pronounced weakening before Jamaica, or odds of a major impact or even significant wind impact seems low. Rain is still an issue. I'm getting to IMBY mode, get to HEB or Kroger before the rush. I still think signs are good so far for SETX. Major hit in the US or MX mainland seems unlikely. I still defer to NHC. OT, models, why doesn't NHC use FSU super ensemble, which seemed to be AI before AI was cool, comparing model performance for different situations and learning to weight various model and ensembles based on prior forecast verification.?. Is it just renamed, or did the FSU super-secret project only the NHC and select few could see, over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 0Z UKMET: big changes as it now skirts S coast of Jamaica, about worst possible track for them and would easily be worst hit there since Dean of 2007. Also, now crosses NE Yucatan on way to a central TX landfall with it restrengthening on way to TX. Prior run was Tampico! Ignore the winds (too low) and pressures (too high): MET OFFICE TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE FOR NORTH-EAST PACIFIC AND ATLANTIC GLOBAL MODEL DATA TIME 0000UTC 02.07.2024 HURRICANE BERYL ANALYSED POSITION : 13.6N 63.8W ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL022024 LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS) -------------- ---- -------- ------------- ------------- 0000UTC 02.07.2024 0 13.6N 63.8W 965 95 1200UTC 02.07.2024 12 15.2N 67.7W 977 78 0000UTC 03.07.2024 24 16.3N 71.6W 985 69 1200UTC 03.07.2024 36 17.0N 75.3W 995 51 0000UTC 04.07.2024 48 18.2N 78.8W 1000 47 1200UTC 04.07.2024 60 19.2N 82.7W 1002 42 0000UTC 05.07.2024 72 20.0N 86.0W 1002 40 1200UTC 05.07.2024 84 21.3N 89.0W 1005 39 0000UTC 06.07.2024 96 22.2N 91.6W 1003 35 1200UTC 06.07.2024 108 24.2N 93.8W 1002 38 0000UTC 07.07.2024 120 25.5N 95.6W 998 36 1200UTC 07.07.2024 132 26.3N 96.5W 994 49 0000UTC 08.07.2024 144 27.2N 97.0W 994 51 1200UTC 08.07.2024 156 28.9N 97.3W 995 38 0000UTC 09.07.2024 168 29.7N 98.3W 998 30 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrips27 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 ...CATEGORY 5 BERYL STILL INTENSIFYING IN THE SOUTHEASTERN CARIBBEAN... ...EXPECTED TO BRING LIFE-THREATENING WINDS AND STORM SURGE TO JAMAICA LATER THIS WEEK...2:00 AM AST Tue Jul 2Location: 14.2°N 65.8°WMoving: WNW at 22 mphMin pressure: 935 mbMax sustained: 165 mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebman Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 14 minutes ago, GaWx said: 0Z UKMET: big changes as it now skirts S coast of Jamaica, about worst possible track for them and would easily be worst hit there since Dean of 2007. Also, now crosses NE Yucatan on way to a central TX landfall with it restrengthening on way to TX. Prior run was Tampico! Ignore the winds (too low) and pressures (too high): MET OFFICE TROPICAL CYCLONE GUIDANCE FOR NORTH-EAST PACIFIC AND ATLANTIC GLOBAL MODEL DATA TIME 0000UTC 02.07.2024 HURRICANE BERYL ANALYSED POSITION : 13.6N 63.8W ATCF IDENTIFIER : AL022024 LEAD CENTRAL MAXIMUM WIND VERIFYING TIME TIME POSITION PRESSURE (MB) SPEED (KNOTS) -------------- ---- -------- ------------- ------------- 0000UTC 02.07.2024 0 13.6N 63.8W 965 95 1200UTC 02.07.2024 12 15.2N 67.7W 977 78 0000UTC 03.07.2024 24 16.3N 71.6W 985 69 1200UTC 03.07.2024 36 17.0N 75.3W 995 51 0000UTC 04.07.2024 48 18.2N 78.8W 1000 47 1200UTC 04.07.2024 60 19.2N 82.7W 1002 42 0000UTC 05.07.2024 72 20.0N 86.0W 1002 40 1200UTC 05.07.2024 84 21.3N 89.0W 1005 39 0000UTC 06.07.2024 96 22.2N 91.6W 1003 35 1200UTC 06.07.2024 108 24.2N 93.8W 1002 38 0000UTC 07.07.2024 120 25.5N 95.6W 998 36 1200UTC 07.07.2024 132 26.3N 96.5W 994 49 0000UTC 08.07.2024 144 27.2N 97.0W 994 51 1200UTC 08.07.2024 156 28.9N 97.3W 995 38 0000UTC 09.07.2024 168 29.7N 98.3W 998 30 If Beryl were to hit Houston, Buda would have relatively weak north winds. It would not be all that bad for us. But if it hits Corpus........ uh - oh. Everyone from Yucatan to Florida needs to watch. And pray. This is getting serious scary. Nothing weakens Beryl. Not shear, not nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Since I'm not a master of the various other sensors, and most are, by nature, hours out of date, I'm trying to work on change of lightning frequency. Accurate for SETX storms near severe limits, more lightning, more likely severe, sudden drop, weakening imminent. Lighting frequency is starting to decrease, Beryl is likely at the peak. GFS well supported by ensembles in pronounced weakening before Jamaica, or odds of a major impact or even significant wind impact seems low. Rain is still an issue. I'm getting to IMBY mode, get to HEB or Kroger before the rush. I still think signs are good so far for SETX. Major hit in the US or MX mainland seems unlikely. I still defer to NHC. OT, models, why doesn't NHC use FSU super ensemble, which seemed to be AI before AI was cool, comparing model performance for different situations and learning to weight various model and ensembles based on prior forecast verification.?. Is it just renamed, or did the FSU super-secret project only the NHC and select few could see, over?In short, there is shear just to Beryl's NW. You can see strong 300-200 hPa level southwesterly flow blowing off the tops of storms in Beryl's bands to the north of the circulation. But the core remains separated from this stronger upper flow for now. How long Beryl's core remains undisturbed from that flow? Perhaps it can shrug it off until late Tuesday (today). Inevitably, it will have some impact. We'll have to watch how that upper tropospheric trough (TUTT) evolves, and if that fearure can close off and reteograde west (and at what distance it does so from Beryl) in the coming days. This will have a direct impact on Beryl and if it can maintain Major Hurricane intensity in close proximity to Jamaica. I do expect we will see a weakening hurricane, but how much and how quickly is the big question. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Meanwhile, Beryl continues to rip and may still be intensifying... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 13 minutes ago, Windspeed said: In short, there is shear just to Beryl's NW. You can see strong 300-200 hPa level southwesterly flow blowing off the tops of storms in Beryl's bands to the north of the circulation. But the core remains separated from this stronger upper flow for now. How long Beryl's core remains undisturbed from that flow? Perhaps it can shrug it off until late Tuesday (today). Inevitably, it will have some impact. We'll have to watch how that upper tropospheric trough (TUTT) evolves, and if that fearure can close off and reteograde west (and at what distance it does so from Beryl) in the coming days. This will have a direct impact on Beryl and if it can maintain Major Hurricane intensity in close proximity to Jamaica. I do expect we will see a weakening hurricane, but how much and how quickly is the big question. Levi Cowan said he doesn't buy storms get so strong they alter the surrounding environment, based on scale, but he did not discount a storm as intense as Beryl might put enough outflow out to pinch off the base of the TUTT, which shears or ventilates Beryl depending on how far it moves W ahead of Beryl. Levi also said he is flying from Hawaii to the East Coast tomorrow, will be enough time zones from Hawaii to be jetlagged, and will post on a laptop. I suspect a vacation from JTWC he thought would be before peak Pacific season. That part is right, but nobody expects a Cat 4 (at the time) in early July in the Atlantic Basin. I'm assuming most weenies like me have discovered his YouTube channel, hopefully he is getting paid for generating so many YouTube hits. I'm still waiting for better agreement between global and high res hurricane models. NHC forecasters earning their pay with beryl, and probably several more times this year. Dr. Roundy told me the next favorable global wave pattern is probably late July/early August, and he doesn't see any reason it won't produce more storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed, snow and hurricane fan Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 6 minutes ago, Windspeed said: Meanwhile, Beryl continues to rip and may still be intensifying... So much for that brief decreae in lightning frequency meaning weakening. It was just taking a short break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Normandy Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Watch the area around the coast of the southern DR / Haiti this morning. This is where the shear zone / TUTT is currently. The circulation of beryl is going to start interacting with this feature, and I’m guessing intense outer bands fire off on the NW quad. The interaction between giants will be interesting, and im not sold on the TUTT shredding this. Beryl is a really strong feature (not just at lower levels, it has a vicious anticyclone with great poleward outflow) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaWx Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 1 hour ago, Windspeed said: In short, there is shear just to Beryl's NW. You can see strong 300-200 hPa level southwesterly flow blowing off the tops of storms in Beryl's bands to the north of the circulation. But the core remains separated from this stronger upper flow for now. How long Beryl's core remains undisturbed from that flow? Perhaps it can shrug it off until late Tuesday (today). Inevitably, it will have some impact. We'll have to watch how that upper tropospheric trough (TUTT) evolves, and if that fearure can close off and reteograde west (and at what distance it does so from Beryl) in the coming days. This will have a direct impact on Beryl and if it can maintain Major Hurricane intensity in close proximity to Jamaica. I do expect we will see a weakening hurricane, but how much and how quickly is the big question. Jamaica’s only chance to avoid a very bad hit may be that shear between it and Beryl. So, that’s my hope to weaken it appreciably though it may not be enough to make much difference. Unfortunately, when looking at analogous tracks with a solid speed of movement from the E or ESE at/near Jamaica, I’m kind of discouraged. These storms, 1951’s Charlie, 1974’s Carmen, 1988’s Gilbert, 2001’s Iris, 2004’s Charley and Ivan, 2005’s Dennis and Emily, and Dean of 2007 either only weakened slightly, were steady, or strengthened on the way to Jamaica. As strong as it already is, I doubt it will be stronger than it is now once it gets there but am concerned it may only weaken slightly at most based on these 9 analogs and still be a MH. Fingers crossed it will weaken substantially. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriPol Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 165 mph winds. WOW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Beryl has gone over 24 hours since the completion of its last EWRC. Perhaps a concentric band has intensified since last recon. I have no idea, as the most recent MW pass missed the TC. Regardless, the eyewall remains very stable. We may even have a sub 930s central pressure now due to the duration of persistent deep convection overnight. It doesn't look like Beryl has leveled off yet. Unfortunately, we've to wait a few more hours until the next reconnaissance mission. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebman Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 165 mph sustained winds. Just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthHillsWx Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 My god. That is all. Speechless. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebman Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 51 minutes ago, Windspeed said: Beryl has gone over 24 hours since the completion of its last EWRC. Perhaps a concentric band has intensified since last recon. I have no idea, as the most recent MW pass missed the TC. Regardless, the eyewall remains very stable. We may even have a sub 930s central pressure now due to the duration of persistent deep convection overnight. It doesn't look like Beryl has leveled off yet. Unfortunately, we've to wait a few more hours until the next reconnaissance mission. If Beryl becomes a sub-930 hurricane....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Last MW pass scored a hit. And, well... though banding is evident, the eyewall remains solid and healthy.Edit: Corrected image to SSMIS pass. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windspeed Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 If this is an accurate video, Union Island in the Grenadines looks trashed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olafminesaw Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Could be a really bad track for pushing surge into Kingston Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebman Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 AMZ001-022100- Synopsis for Caribbean Sea, and Tropical N Atlantic from 07N to 19N W of 55W 500 AM EDT Tue Jul 2 2024 .SYNOPSIS...Major Hurricane Beryl is near 14.6N 66.9W at 5 AM EDT, and is moving west-northwest at 19 kt. Maximum sustained winds are 145 kt with gusts to 175 kt, and the minimum central pressure is 935 mb. Beryl will move to 15.5N 69.6W this afternoon, 16.5N 73.4W Wed morning, 17.4N 76.8W Wed afternoon, 18.2N 80.2W Thu morning, 18.7N 83.6W Thu afternoon, and 19.3N 86.7W Fri morning. Beryl will weaken to a tropical storm over 21.2N 91.8W early Sat. A surge of fresh to strong winds and squalls is expected to move across the tropical N Atlantic tonight through Wed, then across the eastern and central Caribbean Wed through Fri, associated with a tropical wave, Invest 96L. $$ https://forecast.weather.gov/shmrn.php?mz=amz041&syn=amz001 That's sustained winds of 166 mph, gusting to 201 mph. This, is getting alarmingly BAD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattPetrulli Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Wow. Blend supports 155 knot+ 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BooneWX Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 928 on a recent drop…. Wow. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 Looks like cloud tops warming a bit on the western side. I know we thought this earlier, but likely has peaked. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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